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		By: Collin		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/10/22/what-is-the-most-important-hum/#comment-525213</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Collin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A bigger question, which I&#039;ve never seen discussed scientifically, is how human female sexuality could have evolved, considering that it makes delivery even more difficult.

And I&#039;ve never seen anyone rationally debunk the quack claim that it makes delivery easier.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bigger question, which I&#8217;ve never seen discussed scientifically, is how human female sexuality could have evolved, considering that it makes delivery even more difficult.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;ve never seen anyone rationally debunk the quack claim that it makes delivery easier.</p>
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		By: paulmurray		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 04:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And what have you got against Spinal (with an umlaut over the &#039;n&#039;) Tap?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what have you got against Spinal (with an umlaut over the &#8216;n&#8217;) Tap?</p>
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		By: Caryn		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 07:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Pierce, the thing about selection that matters here is that we only think people who walk upright and who are smart are sexy.  So rather than develop wider hips (which compromise bipedalism) or smaller heads (the brain thing) we went with preterm deliveries with corresponding neoteny and a spectacularly high loss rate for pregnancy and delivery.  Lifetime maternal mortality runs at one in seven in some countries today, with neonatal loss rates of one in seven and maternal loss rates of one in one hundred per pregnancy.  Modern obstetrics does such a good job that those loss rates are nigh invisible in industrialized countries.  But there&#039;s no reason we couldn&#039;t have selected ourselves into extinction absent the invention of assisted deliveries.

One possible way to drive secondary altriciality might be that caretaking for our primary neoteny requires longer education in childhood -- to develop the sorts of skillsets that enable cultural support for complicated deliveries, for a mother/baby pair who can&#039;t forage enough to feed themselves, etc.  Greg/ Iain, I can&#039;t remember enough of my Hrdy etc. to accurately report the state of the research here -- is this a reasonable possibility?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Pierce, the thing about selection that matters here is that we only think people who walk upright and who are smart are sexy.  So rather than develop wider hips (which compromise bipedalism) or smaller heads (the brain thing) we went with preterm deliveries with corresponding neoteny and a spectacularly high loss rate for pregnancy and delivery.  Lifetime maternal mortality runs at one in seven in some countries today, with neonatal loss rates of one in seven and maternal loss rates of one in one hundred per pregnancy.  Modern obstetrics does such a good job that those loss rates are nigh invisible in industrialized countries.  But there&#8217;s no reason we couldn&#8217;t have selected ourselves into extinction absent the invention of assisted deliveries.</p>
<p>One possible way to drive secondary altriciality might be that caretaking for our primary neoteny requires longer education in childhood &#8212; to develop the sorts of skillsets that enable cultural support for complicated deliveries, for a mother/baby pair who can&#8217;t forage enough to feed themselves, etc.  Greg/ Iain, I can&#8217;t remember enough of my Hrdy etc. to accurately report the state of the research here &#8212; is this a reasonable possibility?</p>
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		By: Dasha		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dasha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2010 00:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When reading this article, I was really fascinated. Although everything doesnâ??t make sense to me exactly (being that Iâ??m still a student in high school), I did pick up on some key points. This isnâ??t a topic that crosses my mind every day but when reading and analyzing, I could remember learning about this (although not as in-depth). Is there any physical adaptation that humans have gained over the mast thousands/ millions of years? I would have to agree with Greg in this article. I believe that a lot of the things we think and do are a source of â??cultural manifestationâ?. Our culture has a giant impact on everything we do and say. Very often, this leads us down a counterproductive route or to us making bad decisions. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When reading this article, I was really fascinated. Although everything doesnâ??t make sense to me exactly (being that Iâ??m still a student in high school), I did pick up on some key points. This isnâ??t a topic that crosses my mind every day but when reading and analyzing, I could remember learning about this (although not as in-depth). Is there any physical adaptation that humans have gained over the mast thousands/ millions of years? I would have to agree with Greg in this article. I believe that a lot of the things we think and do are a source of â??cultural manifestationâ?. Our culture has a giant impact on everything we do and say. Very often, this leads us down a counterproductive route or to us making bad decisions. </p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2010 00:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s still Friday here!  You Aussies are always ahead of us.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s still Friday here!  You Aussies are always ahead of us.  </p>
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		By: Iain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Iain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 22:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That would be an umlaut of chÃ«s and fÃ¯n hÃ¤rbes presumably
Indeed you are deeply into a fight about genetics versus developmental (ontogenetic) change.  Amd that is the issue about secondary altriciality.  Big problem, as you know, is not only the extent of ontogenetic influences on aspects of language and cognition (separately or together).  I would think that ontogeny is winning at the momentâ??helped by a little local trouble that has emerged about the state of the evidence for non human primate cognitive abilities.  But the other issue is whether altriciality and the so-called secondary altriciality can be identified in the archaeological record, and indeed what the stimuli for secondary altriciality might have been.  It is not obvious to me how the advantages of secondary altriciality could simply lead to its emergence.  But maybe that needs more exploration than I can do on a sunny Saturday morning with shopping to do and lawns to be mowed.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would be an umlaut of chÃ«s and fÃ¯n hÃ¤rbes presumably<br />
Indeed you are deeply into a fight about genetics versus developmental (ontogenetic) change.  Amd that is the issue about secondary altriciality.  Big problem, as you know, is not only the extent of ontogenetic influences on aspects of language and cognition (separately or together).  I would think that ontogeny is winning at the momentâ??helped by a little local trouble that has emerged about the state of the evidence for non human primate cognitive abilities.  But the other issue is whether altriciality and the so-called secondary altriciality can be identified in the archaeological record, and indeed what the stimuli for secondary altriciality might have been.  It is not obvious to me how the advantages of secondary altriciality could simply lead to its emergence.  But maybe that needs more exploration than I can do on a sunny Saturday morning with shopping to do and lawns to be mowed.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 21:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ian:  I hope everyone goes and checks out your links.

I would not think that the baby sling is a different adaptation than altriciality.  The &quot;extended development&quot; can be seen as a single big blob of an adaptation but it may well be multiple things, with multiple steps at distinctly different times.  (Or not.)  Most people would argue that the eye is a great adaptation, but it isn&#039;t.  It&#039;s a whole shitload of adaptations.  

I should also point out, and I&#039;ll address this in more detail later, that what I&#039;m saying here is not groundbreaking or new.  Rather, some version of this is what everyone in the biz believes to some extent, and it is something that has not been reiterated on this blog for a while.  We have been arguing about genetic vs. cultural adaptations, and I&#039;m taking heat from people who really know very nothing about this sort of thing, for assuming that most aspects of most human behaviors are not mostly genetic.  But, when we look at humans, it is reasonable to say that one of our most important adaptations is the non-genetic or non hardwired nature of our behaviors.  We should be surprised to see shopping for shoes or watching football or making umlauts on things as variable across our species in a way that maps underlying allelic variation!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian:  I hope everyone goes and checks out your links.</p>
<p>I would not think that the baby sling is a different adaptation than altriciality.  The &#8220;extended development&#8221; can be seen as a single big blob of an adaptation but it may well be multiple things, with multiple steps at distinctly different times.  (Or not.)  Most people would argue that the eye is a great adaptation, but it isn&#8217;t.  It&#8217;s a whole shitload of adaptations.  </p>
<p>I should also point out, and I&#8217;ll address this in more detail later, that what I&#8217;m saying here is not groundbreaking or new.  Rather, some version of this is what everyone in the biz believes to some extent, and it is something that has not been reiterated on this blog for a while.  We have been arguing about genetic vs. cultural adaptations, and I&#8217;m taking heat from people who really know very nothing about this sort of thing, for assuming that most aspects of most human behaviors are not mostly genetic.  But, when we look at humans, it is reasonable to say that one of our most important adaptations is the non-genetic or non hardwired nature of our behaviors.  We should be surprised to see shopping for shoes or watching football or making umlauts on things as variable across our species in a way that maps underlying allelic variation!</p>
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		By: Iain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Iain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 20:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nice post, Greg.  I thought you were going somewhere else, though.  A recent report in the Guardian says that someone has published a paper saying that the most important invention for humans was the baby sling because it enabled babies to be carried and the consequent attention they shared with their mothers (carriers) led to enlarged brains.  And this was invented 2.2 million years ago.  The evidence?  The hominin brain showed its first (of two) major brain expansions 2.2 Million years ago.  This is obviously circular.

Nevertheless, the argument that infant carrying impacted hominin cognition was the foundation of the argument that Noble and I produced 21 years ago.  The steps were that bipedalism made carrying necessary, and hairlessness made it obligatory.  The dating of the first of these is not (much) in dispute, the dating of the second is agreed but not demonstrated.  So obligatory infant carrying must indeed have been around 2.2 million years ago (with or without slings).  And the impact was probably immediately observable in the amount of &quot;encoding&quot; in the brain outside the womb.  This, we suggested, is the fundamental human adaptation.

Problem is that the timing of the apparently delayed brain growth (relative to chimpanzees) is difficult to date.  There are actually two candidate dates--the early brain increase and the second brain increase about 400 thousand years ago.  Arguably this also was a time of important behavioural changes that could be said to be consequent on infant learning.

I discuss some of these issues in my paper: Davidson, I. (2007), &#039;&#039;As large as you need and as small as you can&#039;--implications of the brain size of Homo floresiensis&#039;, in A. Schalley and D. Khlentzos (eds.), Mental states: evolution, function, nature (Amsterdam: John Benjamins), 35-42.

This can be found on my site: http://une-au.academia.edu/IainDavidson
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post, Greg.  I thought you were going somewhere else, though.  A recent report in the Guardian says that someone has published a paper saying that the most important invention for humans was the baby sling because it enabled babies to be carried and the consequent attention they shared with their mothers (carriers) led to enlarged brains.  And this was invented 2.2 million years ago.  The evidence?  The hominin brain showed its first (of two) major brain expansions 2.2 Million years ago.  This is obviously circular.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, the argument that infant carrying impacted hominin cognition was the foundation of the argument that Noble and I produced 21 years ago.  The steps were that bipedalism made carrying necessary, and hairlessness made it obligatory.  The dating of the first of these is not (much) in dispute, the dating of the second is agreed but not demonstrated.  So obligatory infant carrying must indeed have been around 2.2 million years ago (with or without slings).  And the impact was probably immediately observable in the amount of &#8220;encoding&#8221; in the brain outside the womb.  This, we suggested, is the fundamental human adaptation.</p>
<p>Problem is that the timing of the apparently delayed brain growth (relative to chimpanzees) is difficult to date.  There are actually two candidate dates&#8211;the early brain increase and the second brain increase about 400 thousand years ago.  Arguably this also was a time of important behavioural changes that could be said to be consequent on infant learning.</p>
<p>I discuss some of these issues in my paper: Davidson, I. (2007), &#8221;As large as you need and as small as you can&#8217;&#8211;implications of the brain size of Homo floresiensis&#8217;, in A. Schalley and D. Khlentzos (eds.), Mental states: evolution, function, nature (Amsterdam: John Benjamins), 35-42.</p>
<p>This can be found on my site: <a href="http://une-au.academia.edu/IainDavidson" rel="nofollow ugc">http://une-au.academia.edu/IainDavidson</a></p>
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		By: ereador		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 20:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg, this was very thoughtfully presented and I tend to agree, although I am not a genetic scientist. I&#039;m speaking from the perspective of anthropology and sociology.

We live in cultures complex enough to objectify the cultural significance of something like misplaced umlauts; it should not surprise anyone that it takes longer to develop. (And that made me lol in public, but is was very much to the point.) It&#039;s my contention there is nothing we call human nature not addressed in some ways by cultures; even divergence from the central memes proceeds in reference to the original.

Another thing I wanted to add is that the fairly common meme comparing human early development with other species is certainly useful in an evolutionary biological context, but describing it as too long, or some other characterization implying that human development is defective in some way, just does not follow. I might as well point out that I am &lt;i&gt;really, really old&lt;/i&gt;...in dog years. It&#039;s human development, not bonobo development. It may be clumsy or inefficient in some senses, but the processes result in us, and if it had evolved differently you and I would almost certainly not be talking about it here and now.

/end pet peeve

Nice post.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, this was very thoughtfully presented and I tend to agree, although I am not a genetic scientist. I&#8217;m speaking from the perspective of anthropology and sociology.</p>
<p>We live in cultures complex enough to objectify the cultural significance of something like misplaced umlauts; it should not surprise anyone that it takes longer to develop. (And that made me lol in public, but is was very much to the point.) It&#8217;s my contention there is nothing we call human nature not addressed in some ways by cultures; even divergence from the central memes proceeds in reference to the original.</p>
<p>Another thing I wanted to add is that the fairly common meme comparing human early development with other species is certainly useful in an evolutionary biological context, but describing it as too long, or some other characterization implying that human development is defective in some way, just does not follow. I might as well point out that I am <i>really, really old</i>&#8230;in dog years. It&#8217;s human development, not bonobo development. It may be clumsy or inefficient in some senses, but the processes result in us, and if it had evolved differently you and I would almost certainly not be talking about it here and now.</p>
<p>/end pet peeve</p>
<p>Nice post.</p>
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		By: kleer001		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 20:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think that the most important human adaptation was not dying and continuing to reproduce. Lol! ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the most important human adaptation was not dying and continuing to reproduce. Lol! </p>
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