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	Comments on: Citizens of Illinois:  Alert! Alert!  Creationist Alert!	</title>
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		By: Helen Smith		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Helen Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2010 02:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bill Brady.... how refreshing to hear some one support the truth. Only a fool can see the word and deny a creator.
Why...it&#039;s even in the Declaration of Independence. I hope he wins.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Brady&#8230;. how refreshing to hear some one support the truth. Only a fool can see the word and deny a creator.<br />
Why&#8230;it&#8217;s even in the Declaration of Independence. I hope he wins.</p>
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		By: Doug		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2010 18:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Look, I&#039;m an atheist and don&#039;t like supporting creationist-style thinking, but the questioner sets up a false choice when he states that &quot;Either you believe that the earth was created in six days or you believe in evolution.&quot; There are more than two options here. It sounds to me like Brady is saying that God created the earth and allowed it to evolve. I think Brady assumes that God knew which direction evolution would take.

Personally I think that this is magical thinking, but it not that uncommon a view. It&#039;s common crazy. No crazier than any other religious person who believes in a magical invisible man in the sky who takes you to his cloud castle after you die if you worship him, or sends you to an eternal torture chamber if you don&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, I&#8217;m an atheist and don&#8217;t like supporting creationist-style thinking, but the questioner sets up a false choice when he states that &#8220;Either you believe that the earth was created in six days or you believe in evolution.&#8221; There are more than two options here. It sounds to me like Brady is saying that God created the earth and allowed it to evolve. I think Brady assumes that God knew which direction evolution would take.</p>
<p>Personally I think that this is magical thinking, but it not that uncommon a view. It&#8217;s common crazy. No crazier than any other religious person who believes in a magical invisible man in the sky who takes you to his cloud castle after you die if you worship him, or sends you to an eternal torture chamber if you don&#8217;t.</p>
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		By: NJ		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2010 03:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From Wayne&#039;s blog:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I was introduced to the Bible while working on an auto assembly line back in the mid 70â??s.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So, &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;that&#039;s&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; how he figured out how the current state of science. And here the rest of us were just doing research, getting degrees.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Wayne&#8217;s blog:</p>
<blockquote><p>I was introduced to the Bible while working on an auto assembly line back in the mid 70â??s.</p></blockquote>
<p>So, <em><strong>that&#8217;s</strong></em> how he figured out how the current state of science. And here the rest of us were just doing research, getting degrees.</p>
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		By: Peter C		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2010 02:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wayne, Darwin&#039;s story isn&#039;t a creation story, it&#039;s a theory of how life evolved AFTER creation..... just so you know.

&#039;By denying ID, you debunk your own theory.&#039; Care to explain how you come to that conclusion?

&#039;By admitting ID, you debunk atheism.&#039; Phew.... luckily i don&#039;t admit to ID.

Huh.....i must be ignorant too, because i can&#039;t see the very real problems in MY &quot;science&quot;. Would you care to point those out for me too so that i may overcome MY ignorance....

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne, Darwin&#8217;s story isn&#8217;t a creation story, it&#8217;s a theory of how life evolved AFTER creation&#8230;.. just so you know.</p>
<p>&#8216;By denying ID, you debunk your own theory.&#8217; Care to explain how you come to that conclusion?</p>
<p>&#8216;By admitting ID, you debunk atheism.&#8217; Phew&#8230;. luckily i don&#8217;t admit to ID.</p>
<p>Huh&#8230;..i must be ignorant too, because i can&#8217;t see the very real problems in MY &#8220;science&#8221;. Would you care to point those out for me too so that i may overcome MY ignorance&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Stephanie Z		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephanie Z]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wayne, who&#039;s claiming evolution is an &quot;advanced design engineer&quot;? If life were being engineered, it would presumably be more sensical and less entertaining.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne, who&#8217;s claiming evolution is an &#8220;advanced design engineer&#8221;? If life were being engineered, it would presumably be more sensical and less entertaining.</p>
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		By: Wayne Hollyoak		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wayne Hollyoak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Science&quot; has been going down the tubes ever since Darwin published his naive atheistic creation story. Now you wanna make evolutionism the official national creation story. 

So what, adaptation does occur. But, it&#039;s no advanced design engineer by any means. By denying ID, you debunk your own theory. By admitting ID, you debunk atheism. That puts you, my friend, between a Rock and a hard place. 

So, why are you so worried about students getting wise to all this? Do you have personal interests? Or, are you just ignorant of the very real problems in your &quot;science&quot;?

Wayne]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Science&#8221; has been going down the tubes ever since Darwin published his naive atheistic creation story. Now you wanna make evolutionism the official national creation story. </p>
<p>So what, adaptation does occur. But, it&#8217;s no advanced design engineer by any means. By denying ID, you debunk your own theory. By admitting ID, you debunk atheism. That puts you, my friend, between a Rock and a hard place. </p>
<p>So, why are you so worried about students getting wise to all this? Do you have personal interests? Or, are you just ignorant of the very real problems in your &#8220;science&#8221;?</p>
<p>Wayne</p>
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		By: W Malo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[W Malo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 23:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Strong point, Dale. It is astounding how few people comprehend how generational mutation and natural selection subtlety, continuously, alter the characteristics of a species, gradually over time - a long, long time. 
How hard can it be? 
Very difficult if all you know is the name Charles Darwin - many only know his surname.
It means nothing in our culture whether or not you understand who you are, how you came to be, or how that priceless bit of information would impact your intellectual growth and shape who you become as an individual in this species - takes no education and little intelligence to believe in a god.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strong point, Dale. It is astounding how few people comprehend how generational mutation and natural selection subtlety, continuously, alter the characteristics of a species, gradually over time &#8211; a long, long time.<br />
How hard can it be?<br />
Very difficult if all you know is the name Charles Darwin &#8211; many only know his surname.<br />
It means nothing in our culture whether or not you understand who you are, how you came to be, or how that priceless bit of information would impact your intellectual growth and shape who you become as an individual in this species &#8211; takes no education and little intelligence to believe in a god.</p>
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		By: Dale Headley		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/10/20/citizens-of-illinois-alert-ale/#comment-525166</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dale Headley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 20:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[    The controversy over what should or should not be taught in science classes regarding evolution and &quot;intelligent design&quot; is a straw man.  The sad truth is that evolution is NOT now being taught competently anywhere in the U.S. In MANY cases, science teachers defy state standards and refuse to teach evolution.  This is due in some instances to their religious beliefs, but mostly to the fact they don&#039;t understand evolution themselves.  I never met a person who did.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>    The controversy over what should or should not be taught in science classes regarding evolution and &#8220;intelligent design&#8221; is a straw man.  The sad truth is that evolution is NOT now being taught competently anywhere in the U.S. In MANY cases, science teachers defy state standards and refuse to teach evolution.  This is due in some instances to their religious beliefs, but mostly to the fact they don&#8217;t understand evolution themselves.  I never met a person who did.</p>
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		By: Stephanie Z		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephanie Z]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 19:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, we should be aware that crappy science educations are bad for our economies and lead our children to fewer choices in living-wage jobs, both of which erode the tax base.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, we should be aware that crappy science educations are bad for our economies and lead our children to fewer choices in living-wage jobs, both of which erode the tax base.</p>
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		By: Cary D Conover		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cary D Conover]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 19:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Folks, 

This is a Distraction Tactic to take our eyes off of the topics most important to the Illinois People.

Cut this Crap Out.  Stick to the Issues.

Economy, Jobs, and Taxes.

We need to keep eyes on the topic and on message right now.

Cary]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks, </p>
<p>This is a Distraction Tactic to take our eyes off of the topics most important to the Illinois People.</p>
<p>Cut this Crap Out.  Stick to the Issues.</p>
<p>Economy, Jobs, and Taxes.</p>
<p>We need to keep eyes on the topic and on message right now.</p>
<p>Cary</p>
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