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	Comments on: UPDATED: Major Funding for Science Friday Ends; What will happen next?	</title>
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		By: Anna Haynes		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/10/06/major-funding-for-science-frid/#comment-524427</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2010 17:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sounds like Broad Implementation is *not* applicable to successful projects like Science Friday after all, which means NSF&#039;s funding classification still has a nasty gap.
(- from DeSena&#039;s reply that &quot;Broad Implementation is a project type where the case must be made that thereâ??s a much larger or different audience for the deliverables that have been already produced, not simply to continue what is already being done. ... guidelines, 10-565&quot;)

I wonder if there&#039;s a way to find out what NSF public servant person or committee set up the funding categories to exclude already-existing successful projects, and if they have any plans to fix it.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like Broad Implementation is *not* applicable to successful projects like Science Friday after all, which means NSF&#8217;s funding classification still has a nasty gap.<br />
(- from DeSena&#8217;s reply that &#8220;Broad Implementation is a project type where the case must be made that thereâ??s a much larger or different audience for the deliverables that have been already produced, not simply to continue what is already being done. &#8230; guidelines, 10-565&#8221;)</p>
<p>I wonder if there&#8217;s a way to find out what NSF public servant person or committee set up the funding categories to exclude already-existing successful projects, and if they have any plans to fix it.</p>
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		By: Anna Haynes		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/10/06/major-funding-for-science-frid/#comment-524426</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anna Haynes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 22:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I got a reply from NSF, &amp; it&#039;s all a little confusing.

Ira of SciFri says &quot;NSF [National Science Foundation] has turned us down for continuing funding&quot;.

I sent the above email saying &quot;WTF&quot;, or words to that effect.

Al DeSena of NSF interpreted our concern narrowly, saying &quot;Science Friday funding was not discontinued.  If you look at the abstracts of our active awards, you&#039;ll see that Ira has an award that runs from 2009 - 11.&quot;  
...which is true, or half-true for 2011 - SciFri&#039;s NSF funding ends in mid-2011.

From all this, &amp; Greg L.&#039;s comment that &quot;the &#039;We&#039;ll fund you big for five years [then you&#039;re on your own]&#039; style of funding has become more and more common, and is absurd&quot;, sounds like that&#039;s what happened to SciFri - the turn-down was a non-extension of NSF funding.

DeSena&#039;s email makes an effort to mollify, saying few proposals are funded, &amp; many worthy innovative ones fail to get funded, for budget reasons.

Then DeSena mentions a different, more suitable funding area:

&quot;the ISE program has a &quot;project type&quot; called Broad Implementation, which was designed to allow for &quot;scale up&quot; of work that has already proven its impact.  This new project type was added to try to address [the need for] &quot;funding already-successful outreach efforts.&quot;

Q - But what would need to be &quot;scaled up&quot; about SciFri?  (Besides the _duration_ of funding...)

I guess we need to know if SciFri has applied for Broad Implementation funding to continue the existing show, and if it does so, what&#039;s the likelihood that it&#039;d get the grant (since there&#039;s no &quot;scale-up&quot; required); &amp; if probable, then was there sufficient notice provided to let the SciFri folks realize that they needed to apply there?


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got a reply from NSF, &#038; it&#8217;s all a little confusing.</p>
<p>Ira of SciFri says &#8220;NSF [National Science Foundation] has turned us down for continuing funding&#8221;.</p>
<p>I sent the above email saying &#8220;WTF&#8221;, or words to that effect.</p>
<p>Al DeSena of NSF interpreted our concern narrowly, saying &#8220;Science Friday funding was not discontinued.  If you look at the abstracts of our active awards, you&#8217;ll see that Ira has an award that runs from 2009 &#8211; 11.&#8221;<br />
&#8230;which is true, or half-true for 2011 &#8211; SciFri&#8217;s NSF funding ends in mid-2011.</p>
<p>From all this, &#038; Greg L.&#8217;s comment that &#8220;the &#8216;We&#8217;ll fund you big for five years [then you&#8217;re on your own]&#8217; style of funding has become more and more common, and is absurd&#8221;, sounds like that&#8217;s what happened to SciFri &#8211; the turn-down was a non-extension of NSF funding.</p>
<p>DeSena&#8217;s email makes an effort to mollify, saying few proposals are funded, &#038; many worthy innovative ones fail to get funded, for budget reasons.</p>
<p>Then DeSena mentions a different, more suitable funding area:</p>
<p>&#8220;the ISE program has a &#8220;project type&#8221; called Broad Implementation, which was designed to allow for &#8220;scale up&#8221; of work that has already proven its impact.  This new project type was added to try to address [the need for] &#8220;funding already-successful outreach efforts.&#8221;</p>
<p>Q &#8211; But what would need to be &#8220;scaled up&#8221; about SciFri?  (Besides the _duration_ of funding&#8230;)</p>
<p>I guess we need to know if SciFri has applied for Broad Implementation funding to continue the existing show, and if it does so, what&#8217;s the likelihood that it&#8217;d get the grant (since there&#8217;s no &#8220;scale-up&#8221; required); &#038; if probable, then was there sufficient notice provided to let the SciFri folks realize that they needed to apply there?</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 00:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The &quot;We&#039;ll fund you big for five years (or some other number) then you&#039;ll be fine after that&quot; style of funding has become more and more common, and is absurd.  This is the pattern as well for RTG&#039;s, which can be tens of millions of dollars over about a decade (if renewed once) which is then supposed to be kept up after that from mysterious sources of money that few research and training grant institutions have ever found.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;We&#8217;ll fund you big for five years (or some other number) then you&#8217;ll be fine after that&#8221; style of funding has become more and more common, and is absurd.  This is the pattern as well for RTG&#8217;s, which can be tens of millions of dollars over about a decade (if renewed once) which is then supposed to be kept up after that from mysterious sources of money that few research and training grant institutions have ever found.  </p>
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		By: Anna Haynes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anna Haynes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 22:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My email to the Informal Science Education program:
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Explanation for apparent ISE mission failure, re absence of crucial grant funding area?
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Greetings NSF DRL&#039;s Informal Science Education  (ISE) program directors and staff:

From Program Solicitation NSF 10-565 &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nsf.gov/pubs/2010/nsf10565/nsf10565.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;(link)&lt;/a&gt;, I see from the Synopsis that the Program:
&quot;...supports innovation in anywhere, anytime, lifelong learning
-  through investments in research, development, infrastructure, and capacity-building 
- for STEM learning outside formal school settings.&quot;

I&#039;m inferring from this synopsis - and please correct me if I&#039;m wrong - that the reason Science Friday&#039;s funding was discontinued, was that the radio show wasn&#039;t considered to be &quot;innovation&quot;. 

If I&#039;m wrong about this, please set me straight. 

If I&#039;m correct, wouldn&#039;t the ISE Program&#039;s &quot;it must be innovative&quot; funding requirement have the effect of _precluding_ funding of already-successful science outreach efforts?

And if so, isn&#039;t ISE falling short of its mission? 
 (isn&#039;t ISE supposed to _foster_ &quot;unprecedented energy... to promote public understanding of--and engagement with--STEM&quot;? &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nsf.gov/pubs/2009/nsf09553/nsf09553.htm#pgm_desc_txt&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;(link&lt;/a&gt;))
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My email to the Informal Science Education program:<br />
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Explanation for apparent ISE mission failure, re absence of crucial grant funding area?<br />
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Greetings NSF DRL&#8217;s Informal Science Education  (ISE) program directors and staff:</p>
<p>From Program Solicitation NSF 10-565 <a href="http://www.nsf.gov/pubs/2010/nsf10565/nsf10565.htm" rel="nofollow">(link)</a>, I see from the Synopsis that the Program:<br />
&#8220;&#8230;supports innovation in anywhere, anytime, lifelong learning<br />
&#8211;  through investments in research, development, infrastructure, and capacity-building<br />
&#8211; for STEM learning outside formal school settings.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m inferring from this synopsis &#8211; and please correct me if I&#8217;m wrong &#8211; that the reason Science Friday&#8217;s funding was discontinued, was that the radio show wasn&#8217;t considered to be &#8220;innovation&#8221;. </p>
<p>If I&#8217;m wrong about this, please set me straight. </p>
<p>If I&#8217;m correct, wouldn&#8217;t the ISE Program&#8217;s &#8220;it must be innovative&#8221; funding requirement have the effect of _precluding_ funding of already-successful science outreach efforts?</p>
<p>And if so, isn&#8217;t ISE falling short of its mission?<br />
 (isn&#8217;t ISE supposed to _foster_ &#8220;unprecedented energy&#8230; to promote public understanding of&#8211;and engagement with&#8211;STEM&#8221;? <a href="http://www.nsf.gov/pubs/2009/nsf09553/nsf09553.htm#pgm_desc_txt" rel="nofollow">(link</a>))</p>
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		By: Anna Haynes		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/10/06/major-funding-for-science-frid/#comment-524423</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anna Haynes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 05:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What decisionmaking body at NSF made this decision?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What decisionmaking body at NSF made this decision?</p>
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		By: SplendidMonkey		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/10/06/major-funding-for-science-frid/#comment-524422</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SplendidMonkey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 05:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[SciFri is something I look forward to every Friday.  Other than that I listen to TOTN on occasion and MPR The Current as my staple.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SciFri is something I look forward to every Friday.  Other than that I listen to TOTN on occasion and MPR The Current as my staple.</p>
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		By: TechSlave		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TechSlave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 22:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Science Friday is one of the things which I adore and listen to every week. Thank you, Ira Flatow and all the people who create that awesome program. I will continue my contrbutions, at Ira&#039;s urging, but I will also express my disappointment in their funding decision to NPR *and* to the NSF. Encouraging public, far-reaching science programs should be within the remit of the NSF.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Science Friday is one of the things which I adore and listen to every week. Thank you, Ira Flatow and all the people who create that awesome program. I will continue my contrbutions, at Ira&#8217;s urging, but I will also express my disappointment in their funding decision to NPR *and* to the NSF. Encouraging public, far-reaching science programs should be within the remit of the NSF.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 20:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gus, it is not entirely clear, and I&#039;m asking NPR for clarification.  

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gus, it is not entirely clear, and I&#8217;m asking NPR for clarification.  </p>
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		By: Gus Snarp		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/10/06/major-funding-for-science-frid/#comment-524419</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gus Snarp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 20:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Does this:&lt;blockquote&gt;At the same time, NPR has said the same thing, telling us that if we want to stay on the air, etc, we now have to raise all our own money. Despite what listeners may think, NPR only gives us about 10 percent of our funding.&lt;/blockquote&gt;mean that NPR is reducing funding, or only that it can&#039;t come up with any more funding than it already provides? It&#039;s not entirely clear.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does this:</p>
<blockquote><p>At the same time, NPR has said the same thing, telling us that if we want to stay on the air, etc, we now have to raise all our own money. Despite what listeners may think, NPR only gives us about 10 percent of our funding.</p></blockquote>
<p>mean that NPR is reducing funding, or only that it can&#8217;t come up with any more funding than it already provides? It&#8217;s not entirely clear.</p>
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		By: Verlin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Verlin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 20:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[SciFri has to pay its own way, and yet Barbara Bradley Haggerty still cashes a NPR paycheck every week producing insightful reporting like today&#039;s story on Morning Edition about how black evangelical churches are full of homophobes just like white evangelical churches are, but the homophobes in the black churches are homophobic in their own special &quot;black&quot; way. Truly, there is no justice in this world.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SciFri has to pay its own way, and yet Barbara Bradley Haggerty still cashes a NPR paycheck every week producing insightful reporting like today&#8217;s story on Morning Edition about how black evangelical churches are full of homophobes just like white evangelical churches are, but the homophobes in the black churches are homophobic in their own special &#8220;black&#8221; way. Truly, there is no justice in this world.</p>
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