Comments on: If you ask for it then I have to let you have it https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/09/27/if-you-ask-for-it-than-i-have/ Fri, 01 Oct 2010 06:09:41 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.8 By: Saaid https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/09/27/if-you-ask-for-it-than-i-have/#comment-523818 Fri, 01 Oct 2010 06:09:41 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/09/27/if-you-ask-for-it-than-i-have/#comment-523818 @Stephanie Z
I know its supposed to be funny and it is but it also conveys certain ideas which i don’t agree with. Humor should be taken seriously sometimes, its rarely as innocuous as it seems.

@Willow
I live in a country where the teaching regulations aren’t as strict as where you live. I am doing my Bachelors in business administration. I used to teach O level Biology and Chemistry.

@Uhununun
I didn’t say high self-esteem would result in good grades. What I’m trying to say is that with high self-esteem a child can think beyond grades. To what he’s actually learning for instance.

A teacher is not a telepath. I don’t think there’s a way to really know if someone wants to piss or not. Personally I’d rather give the student the benefit of the doubt.

@Nik
I’m talking about thinking news thoughts, finding new ways to do the same thing. Students free to experiment on their own you know? Without the axe of a grade hanging over their heads.

I don’t think there’s such a thing as ‘neutral statement of opportunity’. Do you know about self-fulfilling prophecies?

And I think I said if the teacher here teaches by personal example then I salute him.

Oh and if you have the stomach for a little strong language check out this link :

http://ry4an.org/readings/short/student/

]]> By: bernarda https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/09/27/if-you-ask-for-it-than-i-have/#comment-523817 Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:21:39 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/09/27/if-you-ask-for-it-than-i-have/#comment-523817 For the critics here, and everyone else, it might be a good idea to watch the new “reality” show, “Teach”, with Tony Danza. He takes on teaching a class in a real school.

“Danza underwent weeks of prep and new-teacher orientation before starting at Northeast, a diverse 3,400-student public high school in a blue-collar neighborhood. His class of 26 sophomores ran the gamut from jocks and divas to brains and immigrants.

Initially, it’s rough going for the boss of Room 230. Danza talks too much and gets corrected by a student in front of the class. He deals with cheating and violence, meets with parents of obstinate students, and tries to balance discipline with empathy â?? all while teaching “Of Mice and Men” and other books to teens with varying academic abilities.

It’s overwhelming. Danza cries several times in the first few episodes.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/28/students-danza-made-the-g_n_742081.html

It starts Friday. I was a teacher for over 20 years, and I feel for him. I don’t know if I made a difference or not, but sometimes I meet students I had years ago and they are happy to talk to me.

]]> By: Nik https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/09/27/if-you-ask-for-it-than-i-have/#comment-523816 Wed, 29 Sep 2010 07:15:29 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/09/27/if-you-ask-for-it-than-i-have/#comment-523816 @Saaid

What do you think he means when he says he makes them work hard? The kids are at school, what do you think kids do at school as work, sew pillow cases? No! They are certainly thinking hard if they are working hard.

Also, you’ve implied some things that were never even stated. Seeing children for who they are and can be, does not imply rating which children have potential, it’s a rather neutral statement of opportunity. On the same note, because he had not mentioned intrapersonal/interpersonal development, his teaching has not promoted such things in children? And also that he does not teach using personal examples?

I’m curious to know how you’ve found this out. I wish you more pleasant experiences in education! It seems some things may have spoiled it!

]]> By: jfreezy https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/09/27/if-you-ask-for-it-than-i-have/#comment-523815 Wed, 29 Sep 2010 07:00:06 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/09/27/if-you-ask-for-it-than-i-have/#comment-523815 I agree with saaid. I was a teacher, but I realized that teaching is 90% for the birds. There are those select few that are meant for it, but public education doesn’t exactly attract stars. For one, no matter how good you do, you will never be rewarded for it tangibly. You can say you get rewarded when a kid does good, but when you’ve got a mortgage, a family to feed, and a life to live, there’s only so far that will go. Even if you’re the best teacher in the school, and even if most of the other teachers are terrible, it doesn’t matter, you’ll all get paid roughly the same. That’s not how it is most places. If you’re the best in your office, you will usually advance. Also, in most jobs, you work because you expect your hard work to pay off in the future. As a teacher… that doesn’t really matter, no matter how hard you work, you’ll still earn roughly the same. You have to care about kids more than they care about themselves a lot of the time, and try to motivate kids who would rather be texting. In the real world, if you’d rather fart around than work towards your success, you’ll likely find yourself out on your ass. So what does that teach them? If you don’t care about yourself, somebody else will? Not how it works. Now, there are some people who have the altruism to do this, and their students are lucky, but probably 90% aren’t cut out for it, and why should they be? Why should anyone be cut out for the load of bull that is teaching? In short, public school teaching is one of the worst professions to get into, so most people who could be good teachers don’t get into it, and most people who can’t do much else, get into teaching. The small maybe 10% overlap who could be good teachers and do get into teaching is an exception.

]]> By: Uhununun https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/09/27/if-you-ask-for-it-than-i-have/#comment-523814 Wed, 29 Sep 2010 04:45:43 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/09/27/if-you-ask-for-it-than-i-have/#comment-523814 saaid, that bullshit about “believing in yourself” is retarded. People don’t get good grades from self-esteem, they have self-esteem because they do well. Correlation does not imply causation. Indoctrinating that into kids doesn’t make them better people, it makes them cocky douchebags with a senses of self entitlement. This guy has the right idea. I’m sure this guy lets kids go to the bathroom, it’s that he can tell when you actually have to go and when you just want to leave. It’s called tough love.

]]> By: Amanda https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/09/27/if-you-ask-for-it-than-i-have/#comment-523813 Wed, 29 Sep 2010 04:11:54 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/09/27/if-you-ask-for-it-than-i-have/#comment-523813 I love this.

]]> By: Willow https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/09/27/if-you-ask-for-it-than-i-have/#comment-523812 Wed, 29 Sep 2010 02:27:27 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/09/27/if-you-ask-for-it-than-i-have/#comment-523812 Saaid – How have you been teaching for the past 6 years and yet you are still in college? How did you get certified to teach if you don’t have a degree? (Are you getting a Master’s?).

]]> By: Stephanie Z https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/09/27/if-you-ask-for-it-than-i-have/#comment-523811 Tue, 28 Sep 2010 13:52:26 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/09/27/if-you-ask-for-it-than-i-have/#comment-523811 Saaid, there’s a very good chance you know the wrong teachers. Or you haven’t figured out how to listen to students. Teachers make a difference beyond the curriculum. Not every teacher to every student, and not always in ways that are immediately apparent, and often not with the help of the educational system, but they do.

As for your criticisms of the video, I get that you’ve been taking education classes. However, this wasn’t a lecture on pedagogy and it wasn’t meant to be. There is a time and a place for those. This had a different purpose and a different audience.

]]> By: Jonny https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/09/27/if-you-ask-for-it-than-i-have/#comment-523810 Tue, 28 Sep 2010 13:46:23 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/09/27/if-you-ask-for-it-than-i-have/#comment-523810 Saaid, you took the words from my mouth. Well said.

]]> By: bernarda https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/09/27/if-you-ask-for-it-than-i-have/#comment-523809 Tue, 28 Sep 2010 12:10:20 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/09/27/if-you-ask-for-it-than-i-have/#comment-523809 Taylor Mali has several good videos on youtube. Try the “Impotence of proofreading”.

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