“And quite important when the vast majority of the Quran is the annotations by humans, not the Word of Mohammed”

We differ on that, but can anyone truly dispute that the Oneness of God is crystal clear in the Holy Quran?

Sure, atheists and non-Muslims will wish to dispute that, but they have to, because otherwise they disprove their own faiths.

No true Muslim considers Mohammed(pbuh) as Christ, the saviour.

Jesus(pbuh) is considered the saviour of true monotheists;

Quran 43:61 – And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way.

Apparently god endorses misleading comments as well as random capitalization.

Great advice on looking smart and having your righting liked!

When people directly and consistently disobey the word of GOD please assume they are not HIS.You’ll look a lot smarter and people might start liking what you right because it holds up to reason.

Steve P. ” At the end of the war …”
Curious about Belgians attitudes at the end of the war, and if one could charactetize the Belgian state and people as christian at that time.
Because by 1958, they were a pile of shit. So did they decline to the 1958 condition, or rise to that condition from something lower.

Mmmm.
“Rescuing Jews was a top priority for the Catholic church”
If this statement is accurate ( i have no idea ) it raises many others.
If biases exist, a triage process should expose them.
So im curious to see a list of priorities in order of urgency, which might then shed light on the subject.

Also, there was the actions 0r lack thereof , of the Church to stop Germans’ razzia (roundup) of Jews in Rome in October 1943. While the church managed to harbor some Jews, the stand they took against the Germans was one of a cowardly neutrality, probably calculated to keep the Germans from seizing the Pope and the Vatican.

Oh, and here is a good one from Phayer’s “The Catholic Church and the Holocaust, 1930-1965”. “On October 19, one day after the freight train packed with Jews left Rome for Auschwitz, the Vatican publically acknowledged, as Hitler’s foreign minister, Ribbentrop, wished, that German military behavior in occupied Rome toward the Vatican had been correct and civil. ” p. 101 Yet there is ample evidence that the Vatican knew that the Jews were being transported to a death camp.

So Joshua’s protests about the actions of Christian Germans really oversimplify and trivialize the great, complex, horrid evil that was perpetrated by the Nazis with altogether too much complicity by German “Christians” and a Vatican so obsessed with Communism that they blinded themselves to Nazism.

Ratlines.

At the end of the war, Catholics made up about 40% of the German population. The anti-semitism of the Catholic church has a long and horrid history, and the undercurrent of hatred it created against Jews appears to have definitely been exploited by the Nazis. Similarly, Martin Luther was apparently also a rabid antisemite so there is plenty of blame and shame to go around. I think that there is little doubt that the Vatican feared Communism far more than Nazism and that this caused it to take a less than heroic stance against the Nazis early on, when it might have made a difference; rather, in the beginning, many members of the Church hierarchy appeared to embrace Nazism. Some German Christians fought the Nazis and heroically tried save Jews, but, overall, I have to share the opinion that Nazi Germany was largely Christian, and that Christians were largely Nazis. Interviewed right after the war, the majority of the German population were said to be willing to go back to Nazism. Do the math.