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	Comments on: What I know about Marc Hauser, the recently &#8216;investigated&#8217; Harvard primatologist	</title>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/08/12/what-i-know-about-marc-hauser/#comment-521738</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 14:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The debate here is completely beside the point. Hauser could not have passed the Gallup Test.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The debate here is completely beside the point. Hauser could not have passed the Gallup Test.</p>
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		By: monkey researcher		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/08/12/what-i-know-about-marc-hauser/#comment-521737</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[monkey researcher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 05:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/28/science/28harvard.html?partner=rss&amp;emc=rss

The other shoe drops.  ]]></description>
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<p>The other shoe drops.  </p>
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		By: DF		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Your trust of Hauser is irresponsible. Anyone familiar with how major universities investigate allegations of any kind of misconduct knows that it is extremely unusual for a university to make any kind of public declaration in relation to such an investigation. When the Dean of Arts and Sciences publishes a statement in which it is made clear that the university has found Hauser to have committed misconduct (which is clearly insinuated to be outright fabrication of data - something corroborated by anonymously sourced reports), the responsible conclusion is that all (!) of Hauser&#039;s experimental work should be suspect, and inspected for evidence of fabrication. 

There&#039;s nothing unique about Hauser&#039;s case (unfortunately), except for the degree of publicity generated (which is not so common).  

I understand that Hauser&#039;s friends and collaborators have lots of trouble accepting the obvious - betrayal is always hard to accept - and in some cases some of their own papers may be thrown into question (although Hauser had a pattern of producing hard to reproduce results and drawing questionable conclusions from limited data, so perhaps some of these folks ought to look at the basis for their respect for Hauser), but the honest thing is to take a hard look at the circumstance. When a guy&#039;s own students are denouncing him to the university for fabricating data, something is very seriously wrong. By the way, this whole process began in 2007, but I suppose Hauser continued to take on students - all of whom are now thoroughly screwed by his behavior - that&#039;s perhaps the most distressing aspect of this entire episode. (This is what the `solely responsible&#039; part of the Dean&#039;s statement is aimed at).

Finally, for all those who distrust the media, big institutions, etc. - Harvard (and any other big US university) is like the Catholic Church - it goes to extraordinary effort to conceal the slightest hint of the most egregious misconduct. There are legal reasons for this, but there is also the motivation of protecting its reputation. When Harvard publicly disciplines a professor and there is no concomitant protest from any sector of its professorate, it is reasonable to assume that the truth is far worse (not better) than what Harvard says.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your trust of Hauser is irresponsible. Anyone familiar with how major universities investigate allegations of any kind of misconduct knows that it is extremely unusual for a university to make any kind of public declaration in relation to such an investigation. When the Dean of Arts and Sciences publishes a statement in which it is made clear that the university has found Hauser to have committed misconduct (which is clearly insinuated to be outright fabrication of data &#8211; something corroborated by anonymously sourced reports), the responsible conclusion is that all (!) of Hauser&#8217;s experimental work should be suspect, and inspected for evidence of fabrication. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing unique about Hauser&#8217;s case (unfortunately), except for the degree of publicity generated (which is not so common).  </p>
<p>I understand that Hauser&#8217;s friends and collaborators have lots of trouble accepting the obvious &#8211; betrayal is always hard to accept &#8211; and in some cases some of their own papers may be thrown into question (although Hauser had a pattern of producing hard to reproduce results and drawing questionable conclusions from limited data, so perhaps some of these folks ought to look at the basis for their respect for Hauser), but the honest thing is to take a hard look at the circumstance. When a guy&#8217;s own students are denouncing him to the university for fabricating data, something is very seriously wrong. By the way, this whole process began in 2007, but I suppose Hauser continued to take on students &#8211; all of whom are now thoroughly screwed by his behavior &#8211; that&#8217;s perhaps the most distressing aspect of this entire episode. (This is what the `solely responsible&#8217; part of the Dean&#8217;s statement is aimed at).</p>
<p>Finally, for all those who distrust the media, big institutions, etc. &#8211; Harvard (and any other big US university) is like the Catholic Church &#8211; it goes to extraordinary effort to conceal the slightest hint of the most egregious misconduct. There are legal reasons for this, but there is also the motivation of protecting its reputation. When Harvard publicly disciplines a professor and there is no concomitant protest from any sector of its professorate, it is reasonable to assume that the truth is far worse (not better) than what Harvard says.</p>
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		By: J		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/08/12/what-i-know-about-marc-hauser/#comment-521735</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 13:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anyone writing here that the scientific process is screwed up is correct, and further substantiating that claim by jumping to conclusions before all of the evidence (the data) is presented.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone writing here that the scientific process is screwed up is correct, and further substantiating that claim by jumping to conclusions before all of the evidence (the data) is presented.</p>
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		By: Justice		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/08/12/what-i-know-about-marc-hauser/#comment-521734</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Justice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 19:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s very simple: Harvard should kick him out and he should be barred from academia worldwide. NIH, NSF, and any government agency Hauser got money from should demand that he be fired or else no more grant money should be given to Harvard.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s very simple: Harvard should kick him out and he should be barred from academia worldwide. NIH, NSF, and any government agency Hauser got money from should demand that he be fired or else no more grant money should be given to Harvard.</p>
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		By: not a cottontop		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/08/12/what-i-know-about-marc-hauser/#comment-521733</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[not a cottontop]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Monkey Researcher--that pretty much exactly jibes with what I heard from someone close to one of the grad students involved.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Monkey Researcher&#8211;that pretty much exactly jibes with what I heard from someone close to one of the grad students involved.</p>
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		By: monkey researcher		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/08/12/what-i-know-about-marc-hauser/#comment-521732</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[monkey researcher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 10:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The above chronicle.com link will be of interest to those who question the claims of  Anonymous, please and Not a Cotton-top.  This whole affair is most upsetting.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The above chronicle.com link will be of interest to those who question the claims of  Anonymous, please and Not a Cotton-top.  This whole affair is most upsetting.</p>
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		By: monkey researcher		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/08/12/what-i-know-about-marc-hauser/#comment-521731</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[monkey researcher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 10:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ former monkey labber

  &quot;I totally agree that double blinding is the appropriate solution, but there are some cases in which even the clever experimenters like Marc have a hard time figuring out a practical way to implement it.&quot;

http://chronicle.com/article/Document-Sheds-Light-on/123988/

Although Marc is definitely a clever experimenter, it seems clear that he wasn&#039;t committed to finding the best, least biased ways of implementing experiments and interpreting data.   Just because one researcher isn&#039;t committed to this, it doesn&#039;t mean the rest of us aren&#039;t.  Please be aware that your experiences with Marc may have given you a very skewed view of the field. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ former monkey labber</p>
<p>  &#8220;I totally agree that double blinding is the appropriate solution, but there are some cases in which even the clever experimenters like Marc have a hard time figuring out a practical way to implement it.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://chronicle.com/article/Document-Sheds-Light-on/123988/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://chronicle.com/article/Document-Sheds-Light-on/123988/</a></p>
<p>Although Marc is definitely a clever experimenter, it seems clear that he wasn&#8217;t committed to finding the best, least biased ways of implementing experiments and interpreting data.   Just because one researcher isn&#8217;t committed to this, it doesn&#8217;t mean the rest of us aren&#8217;t.  Please be aware that your experiences with Marc may have given you a very skewed view of the field. </p>
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		By: not a cottontop		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/08/12/what-i-know-about-marc-hauser/#comment-521730</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[not a cottontop]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 03:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As someone who has gotten the &quot;inside dope&quot; I will say that &quot;anonymous, please&quot; is right on the money.  Hauser&#039;s misconduct was clear, and was reported to Harvard by at least one grad student in his lab.

As far as Harvard is concerned, and this I say not from inside knowledge but from having been associated with Harvard since the early 90s, it&#039;s water under the bridge.  Harvard will have determined how much could possibly be proven and acted accordingly.  The slap on the wrist is intended to appease Hauser&#039;s colleagues (all other FAS faculty) who would not accept Hauser getting off scot free.  To the rest of the world it must appear that there was &quot;nothing (or not enough) there&quot;, a simple misunderstanding of some kind.

For another, more notorious example of this process see the case of Andrei Schleifer (google &quot;tawdry schleifer affair&quot;), or for that matter the unethical human psych experiments of Henry A. Murray, on, among others, a young Ted Kaczynski.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who has gotten the &#8220;inside dope&#8221; I will say that &#8220;anonymous, please&#8221; is right on the money.  Hauser&#8217;s misconduct was clear, and was reported to Harvard by at least one grad student in his lab.</p>
<p>As far as Harvard is concerned, and this I say not from inside knowledge but from having been associated with Harvard since the early 90s, it&#8217;s water under the bridge.  Harvard will have determined how much could possibly be proven and acted accordingly.  The slap on the wrist is intended to appease Hauser&#8217;s colleagues (all other FAS faculty) who would not accept Hauser getting off scot free.  To the rest of the world it must appear that there was &#8220;nothing (or not enough) there&#8221;, a simple misunderstanding of some kind.</p>
<p>For another, more notorious example of this process see the case of Andrei Schleifer (google &#8220;tawdry schleifer affair&#8221;), or for that matter the unethical human psych experiments of Henry A. Murray, on, among others, a young Ted Kaczynski.</p>
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		By: tamarin		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/08/12/what-i-know-about-marc-hauser/#comment-521729</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tamarin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 21:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There was a failure to replicate Hauser&#039;s own mirror experiment in Hauser&#039;s own lab, published here:

http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/~mnkylab/publications/learnconcepts/mirror.pdf

The general discussion, beginning on p. 136, is pretty interesting and quite defensive, in my opinion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a failure to replicate Hauser&#8217;s own mirror experiment in Hauser&#8217;s own lab, published here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/~mnkylab/publications/learnconcepts/mirror.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/~mnkylab/publications/learnconcepts/mirror.pdf</a></p>
<p>The general discussion, beginning on p. 136, is pretty interesting and quite defensive, in my opinion.</p>
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