That is your final response? No evidence, no facts, no answers? You have not dignified any of the people who questioned your assertions with a coherent answer.

Your only argument is basically “It is because I say it is. I say it is because it is”.

I have to repeat that repetition does NOT increase the the veracity of your arguments. And none of your arguments have risen above the level of a playground fight in primary school.

They have really done a job on what is left of your brain, have they not?

Religion as brain killer.

I am sad, because there is a potentially useful human mind going to waste here.

As for your comment about Southern Baptist churches “..creationism is taught in most Southern Baptist churches. Kids are taught to ignore evolution in textbooks. Parents do know what schools are teaching their kids and will correct that child if they think the book is wrong”, how wonderful. Sabotaging your own children’s future chances. And people wonder why America is sliding down the international education rankings?

The fundy idiots do not need enemies, they screw themselves up most excellently without any outside assistance.

Happily, the section of the American which classifies themselves as having “No Religion” is increasing all the time.

Final answer.

Yeah, ’cause that’s how it works.

Including apparently, that legs are organs which, even completely covered over by blubber – manifest only as part of the skeletal structure, are useful. I mean I suppose they might be useful one day, should the whales walk back out of the ocean, but I sincerely doubt it.

There are things you can learn on your own that is not indoctrinaed, oops, I mean taught in school.

I’m well aware, as I am a high school dropout and learned about evolution and many other interesting things on my own. I also became rather well versed in English, though I do have to thank my primary school teachers for some of that.

The alternative to evolution is one of many things.

Apparently the English language is another.

An aside, “Satan did it,” is not really an alternative to evolution.

By the way, creationism is taught in most Southern Baptist churches. Kids are taught to ignore evolution in textbooks.

No…Fucking…Way!!11! Kind of like they are taught the same thing in Nazarene, United Methodist, Assemblies of God and virtually every other evangelical church in the U.S. I am fucking shocked and was completely unaware.

Parents do know what schools are teaching their kids and will correct that child if they think the book is wrong. Remember that.

When you know as many science educators as I do, it is absolutely impossible to forget how much religious parents try to fuck up their children’s educations. Given the changes happening in this country, I fear for their future prospects, should they fail to transcend the ignorance of their parents. As our economy becomes increasingly based on science and technology, that kind of ignorance will damn such kids – right here, right now.

I remember all too well, all too often. Actually caring about children, I remember and I am saddened by the abusive brainwashing being foisted on innocents.

BrainX –

I rather assume both.

Thankfully I do not, nor does any educated person, rely only on Carbon dating, which is only useful in the context of a period of approximately 50,000 years. There are numerous other methods of dating the age of the Earth and the Universe. There are at least 40 radiometric methods, plus ice-cores, dendrochronology, cosmology, the geological column, etc. Carbon dating is good for making the basic point that the “Young Earth” creationist view is untenable.

The Ginkgo(Ginkgo bilobis) is a perfect example of artificial selection by humans. It was protected by humans in China and Japan, to the extent that it has, as a species, outlived its natural rivals and predators. If there is no selection pressure, there is little evolution, as there is no need for it. The tree was and is prized for its fire-retardant properties, its nuts and leaves.

“Peppered Moths were a fake”? Who faked them? How could they have done this? And most importantly, why? Also, some evidence for the assertion would be really welcome. Please provide references for your assertions.

As for your assertion that evolution was invented by the devil, oh dear. You really are at the hands clamped over ears, singing “lalalalalalalala” stage are you not?

Lastly, I wrote that “Piltdown man was a fake, and was proved to be a fake by other scientists. Are you willing to submit your sky god myth to the same degree of rigorous analysis?”. I gather from your evasive nonsense that the answer is “No”?

Are you a blinkered idiot, or just a troll?

I am genuinely curious.

(Although I am mostly in it for the amusement factor. GF and I are getting quite the chuckle out of your rhetoric)

Basically, “we” will ignore everything that Science has to say about the age of the Universe(about 13.5 billion years), the galaxy we live in(younger), and the planet we live on(4.5 billion years), and instead, rely on a series of “X begat Y, who begat Z…”? And you think this is logical or sustainable? You wonder why educated people do not take you seriously? It is because it is impossible to take any of this seriously. I would not accept this level of evidence or argument from a nine-year old child.

“When you see an octopus develop the ability to crawl out of the water, grow feathers and fly around, let me know. That is evolution”. No, that is not evolution, that is just stupid. It is basically the silly “crocoduck” argument put forward by Ray Comfort and other charlatans.

“It is widely believed the Garden of Eden was in modern-day Iraq”. Really? Widely believed by which reality-challenged idiots? It was widely believed that little green men lived on Mars. We now know that this is not true. It is widely believed that a lottery ticket is a good investment. Anyone with any knowledge of probability theory/statistics knows this is not true. Saying that something is widely believed proves nothing.

Piltdown man was a fake, and was proved to be a fake by other scientists. Are you willing to submit your sky god myth to the same degree of rigorous analysis?

And evolution is a fact. The Theory of Evolution, like the Theory of Gravity or The Theory of Plate Tectonics simply means that it is the highest level of construct in that field. A scientific theory (also called an empirical theory) comprises a collection of concepts, including abstractions of observable phenomena expressed as quantifiable properties, together with rules (called scientific laws) that express relationships between observations of such concepts. A scientific theory is constructed to conform to available empirical data about such observations, and is put forth as a principle or body of principles for explaining a class of phenomena(with thanks to wikipedia). Alternatively, a scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing.

While any Theory can be disproved by facts, none can be disproved by appeals to the authority of one minor tribe’s multi-authored victory propaganda. Present facts and we can argue. Present idiocy, and you will get no respect at all.