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	Comments on: An Interview with Jennifer Jacquet on the Gulf Oil Spill	</title>
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		By: Colin MacGillivray		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/08/09/an-interview-with-jennifer-jac/#comment-521569</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Colin MacGillivray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 06:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: My Diatribe above
FYI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Values_Party]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: My Diatribe above<br />
FYI<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Values_Party" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Values_Party</a></p>
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		By: Colin MacGillivray		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/08/09/an-interview-with-jennifer-jac/#comment-521568</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Colin MacGillivray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 06:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg said: But seriously, are you actually some kind of Gulf Oil Spill denialist?
Colin says: No I just wanted to do the maths. 

Greg said: Do you not realize (apparently you don&#039;t) that you could do the same calculation but instead of using your lifeless suburban swimming pool and a pepsi bottle full of crap, you could use an organism (like a human) and a dose of strychnine or cyanide or some other poison and calculate that the equivalent would kill one gazillian innocent babies and kittens?
Colin says: It&#039;s not strychnine it&#039;s biodegadeable natural thin grade (apparently) oil.

Greg asked: So, based on your IP address, I have to ask you, do you work for the BP plastic&#039;s division or just regular BP in that nation of brown people from which you write? 
Colin says: I married a brown person, a Malaysian, worked here in Sarawak as an architect in the 80&#039;s and now am retired here. I am an environmentalist and have been since I stood in 1972 in New Zealand for Parliament for the &quot;Values Party&quot; which later became the Green Party. The Values Party was the first &quot;green&quot; party in the world. 

In my very humble opinion I don&#039;t think this particular oil spill is as bad for the environment as the media and some people make out. (Because it was deep and a long distance from the shore.)
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg said: But seriously, are you actually some kind of Gulf Oil Spill denialist?<br />
Colin says: No I just wanted to do the maths. </p>
<p>Greg said: Do you not realize (apparently you don&#8217;t) that you could do the same calculation but instead of using your lifeless suburban swimming pool and a pepsi bottle full of crap, you could use an organism (like a human) and a dose of strychnine or cyanide or some other poison and calculate that the equivalent would kill one gazillian innocent babies and kittens?<br />
Colin says: It&#8217;s not strychnine it&#8217;s biodegadeable natural thin grade (apparently) oil.</p>
<p>Greg asked: So, based on your IP address, I have to ask you, do you work for the BP plastic&#8217;s division or just regular BP in that nation of brown people from which you write?<br />
Colin says: I married a brown person, a Malaysian, worked here in Sarawak as an architect in the 80&#8217;s and now am retired here. I am an environmentalist and have been since I stood in 1972 in New Zealand for Parliament for the &#8220;Values Party&#8221; which later became the Green Party. The Values Party was the first &#8220;green&#8221; party in the world. </p>
<p>In my very humble opinion I don&#8217;t think this particular oil spill is as bad for the environment as the media and some people make out. (Because it was deep and a long distance from the shore.)</p>
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		By: MadScientist		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/08/09/an-interview-with-jennifer-jac/#comment-521567</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MadScientist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 06:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow - if Colin got his calculations right, that&#039;s 300 parts per billion by volume. For many chemicals, that&#039;s a hazardous (though not necessarily lethal) level. Not to mention the danged oil just refuses to mix in with all that water so until the bacteria break down the oil and waxes (or the waxes entrain enough sand or something to make it sink), you&#039;ll get patches of crap here and there.

For example, in the air, the 10-hour exposure limit set for polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons is on the order of 80ppbv, with the short-term limit set at around 8,000ppbv. Some chemicals are quite deadly though; it doesn&#039;t take much nitroglycerine to kill someone - the doses used to treat medical problems is extremely small; less than 1 part per billion by weight of the patient.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8211; if Colin got his calculations right, that&#8217;s 300 parts per billion by volume. For many chemicals, that&#8217;s a hazardous (though not necessarily lethal) level. Not to mention the danged oil just refuses to mix in with all that water so until the bacteria break down the oil and waxes (or the waxes entrain enough sand or something to make it sink), you&#8217;ll get patches of crap here and there.</p>
<p>For example, in the air, the 10-hour exposure limit set for polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons is on the order of 80ppbv, with the short-term limit set at around 8,000ppbv. Some chemicals are quite deadly though; it doesn&#8217;t take much nitroglycerine to kill someone &#8211; the doses used to treat medical problems is extremely small; less than 1 part per billion by weight of the patient.</p>
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		By: Simea mirans		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/08/09/an-interview-with-jennifer-jac/#comment-521566</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simea mirans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 23:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Colin seems to be making the rounds:

http://scienceblogs.com/guiltyplanet/2010/08/my_voice_from_the_spill.php#c2718589

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colin seems to be making the rounds:</p>
<p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/guiltyplanet/2010/08/my_voice_from_the_spill.php#c2718589" rel="nofollow ugc">http://scienceblogs.com/guiltyplanet/2010/08/my_voice_from_the_spill.php#c2718589</a></p>
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		By: itzac		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/08/09/an-interview-with-jennifer-jac/#comment-521565</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[itzac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 18:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A great book if you want to learn about American economic Imperialism is &quot;Confessions of an Economic Hit Man&quot; by John Perkins.

http://www.amazon.ca/Confessions-Economic-Hit-John-Perkins/dp/1576753018/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1281549314&amp;sr=8-2]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great book if you want to learn about American economic Imperialism is &#8220;Confessions of an Economic Hit Man&#8221; by John Perkins.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.ca/Confessions-Economic-Hit-John-Perkins/dp/1576753018/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1281549314&#038;sr=8-2" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.amazon.ca/Confessions-Economic-Hit-John-Perkins/dp/1576753018/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1281549314&#038;sr=8-2</a></p>
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		By: Sabrina		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/08/09/an-interview-with-jennifer-jac/#comment-521564</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sabrina]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 18:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No comment from BP Colin? Not surprised.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No comment from BP Colin? Not surprised.</p>
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		By: Sivi		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/08/09/an-interview-with-jennifer-jac/#comment-521563</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sivi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the explanation, Greg.  I hadn&#039;t even thought to draw parallels between BP in the Gulf and and say Shell in Nigeria.

Now that you mention it though, there&#039;s even a pretty big discrepancy between media coverage - and that&#039;s without BP killing off people in Florida or Louisiana.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the explanation, Greg.  I hadn&#8217;t even thought to draw parallels between BP in the Gulf and and say Shell in Nigeria.</p>
<p>Now that you mention it though, there&#8217;s even a pretty big discrepancy between media coverage &#8211; and that&#8217;s without BP killing off people in Florida or Louisiana.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[DC: It was perfectly reasonable for Sivi to ask. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DC: It was perfectly reasonable for Sivi to ask. </p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sivi, There is, I&#039;d contend, racism, but not in my comment.  I think it is rather racist when Western Nations and their megacorporations do what they do around the world. Do you know that the amount of oil spilled in the big olympic pool we know of as the Gulf of Mexico is (supposedly) on the same order of magnitude as the amount of oil we&#039;ve spilled on the Nigerian Delta, where Western Multinationals have also ordered ... successfully ... the execution of of in-country nationals (in Nigeria) who opposed them?  An that number of individuals dead pales in comparison to the ongoing swamp war that happens between Oil Company &#039;security forces&#039; and local rebels who are trying to free their land and their people from being, essentially, property of Shell Oil.

So what you have witnessed here is a moment of deep cynicism regarding how you and I and our oil companies treat the rest of the world.  It is hard to see the cynicism in print.  The term &quot;little brown people&quot; is anthropology dog whistle speak.  It comes from George Bush Sr. 

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sivi, There is, I&#8217;d contend, racism, but not in my comment.  I think it is rather racist when Western Nations and their megacorporations do what they do around the world. Do you know that the amount of oil spilled in the big olympic pool we know of as the Gulf of Mexico is (supposedly) on the same order of magnitude as the amount of oil we&#8217;ve spilled on the Nigerian Delta, where Western Multinationals have also ordered &#8230; successfully &#8230; the execution of of in-country nationals (in Nigeria) who opposed them?  An that number of individuals dead pales in comparison to the ongoing swamp war that happens between Oil Company &#8216;security forces&#8217; and local rebels who are trying to free their land and their people from being, essentially, property of Shell Oil.</p>
<p>So what you have witnessed here is a moment of deep cynicism regarding how you and I and our oil companies treat the rest of the world.  It is hard to see the cynicism in print.  The term &#8220;little brown people&#8221; is anthropology dog whistle speak.  It comes from George Bush Sr. </p>
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		By: Sivi		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/08/09/an-interview-with-jennifer-jac/#comment-521560</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sivi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I used to lurk here a lot - I know Greg&#039;s posted some very good deconstructions of racism, particularly regarding IQ measures.

Which is why the remark struck me as weirdly incongruous.  I probably could have remarked on it differently, and it could have just had to do with the mental tone of voice as I was reading.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to lurk here a lot &#8211; I know Greg&#8217;s posted some very good deconstructions of racism, particularly regarding IQ measures.</p>
<p>Which is why the remark struck me as weirdly incongruous.  I probably could have remarked on it differently, and it could have just had to do with the mental tone of voice as I was reading.</p>
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