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		By: Nandy		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/08/04/livingston-parish-saved-from-c/#comment-521380</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 23:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry ~ my links don&#039;t work. If you go to Greg&#039;s NCSE link in the OP, you can link to the Baton Rouge Advocate from there. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry ~ my links don&#8217;t work. If you go to Greg&#8217;s NCSE link in the OP, you can link to the Baton Rouge Advocate from there. </p>
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		By: Nandy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 23:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That &quot;take a stand for Jesus&quot; statement made me laugh in relief. I know it worried Dean at #1 because of the mentality we&#039;re dealing with... but it&#039;s that same mentality that will expose the Board&#039;s non-secular purpose, and doom it to failure. Tate&#039;s statement was not idle chatter--that quote came from a Board meeting, and that wasn&#039;t all he said. The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/99705064.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Baton Rouge Advocate reports:&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;i&gt;Tate said teaching evolution as a theory is fine, but there are other ideas.
â??Creationism is another thought of how things came into being,â? he said. â??Give every theory due timeâ? in the classroom.&lt;/i&gt;

And from the Advocate&#039;s coverage of another Board meeting, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/99153999.html?index=1&amp;c=y&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;July 24th:&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;i&gt;Benton said that under provisions of the Science Education Act enacted last year by the Louisiana Legislature, schools can present what she termed â??critical thinking and creationismâ? in science classes.
Board Member David Tate quickly responded: â??We let them teach evolution to our children, but I think all of us sitting up here on this School Board believe in creationism. Why canâ??t we get someone with religious beliefs to teach creationism?â?
Fellow board member Clint Mitchell responded, â??I agree â?¦ you donâ??t have to be afraid to point out some of the fallacies with the theory of evolution. Teachers should have the freedom to look at creationism and find a way to get it into the classroom.â?&lt;/i&gt;

I can&#039;t believe they&#039;re speaking this carelessly--why hasn&#039;t the Discovery Institute PR machine muzzled them yet? In Kitzmiller v Dover, statements just like these were made at school board meetings. Judge Jones applied the Endorsement and Lemon tests, and used those statements to demonstrate that the Board&#039;s purpose was clearly to advance religion, and was therefore unconstitutional. 
This effort will absolutely go down in flames--but not until after taxpayers&#039; money has been wasted.

I find it hilarious that creationists contain the seeds of their own undoing, because they just can&#039;t seem to shut up about Jesus. It doesn&#039;t matter how polished the Discovery Institute&#039;s talking points are; it&#039;s the people at the center of these things, these people just don&#039;t get it. They have no idea what they&#039;re doing wrong. 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That &#8220;take a stand for Jesus&#8221; statement made me laugh in relief. I know it worried Dean at #1 because of the mentality we&#8217;re dealing with&#8230; but it&#8217;s that same mentality that will expose the Board&#8217;s non-secular purpose, and doom it to failure. Tate&#8217;s statement was not idle chatter&#8211;that quote came from a Board meeting, and that wasn&#8217;t all he said. The <a href="http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/99705064.html" rel="nofollow">Baton Rouge Advocate reports:</a><br />
<i>Tate said teaching evolution as a theory is fine, but there are other ideas.<br />
â??Creationism is another thought of how things came into being,â? he said. â??Give every theory due timeâ? in the classroom.</i></p>
<p>And from the Advocate&#8217;s coverage of another Board meeting, <a href="http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/99153999.html?index=1&#038;c=y" rel="nofollow">July 24th:</a><br />
<i>Benton said that under provisions of the Science Education Act enacted last year by the Louisiana Legislature, schools can present what she termed â??critical thinking and creationismâ? in science classes.<br />
Board Member David Tate quickly responded: â??We let them teach evolution to our children, but I think all of us sitting up here on this School Board believe in creationism. Why canâ??t we get someone with religious beliefs to teach creationism?â?<br />
Fellow board member Clint Mitchell responded, â??I agree â?¦ you donâ??t have to be afraid to point out some of the fallacies with the theory of evolution. Teachers should have the freedom to look at creationism and find a way to get it into the classroom.â?</i></p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe they&#8217;re speaking this carelessly&#8211;why hasn&#8217;t the Discovery Institute PR machine muzzled them yet? In Kitzmiller v Dover, statements just like these were made at school board meetings. Judge Jones applied the Endorsement and Lemon tests, and used those statements to demonstrate that the Board&#8217;s purpose was clearly to advance religion, and was therefore unconstitutional.<br />
This effort will absolutely go down in flames&#8211;but not until after taxpayers&#8217; money has been wasted.</p>
<p>I find it hilarious that creationists contain the seeds of their own undoing, because they just can&#8217;t seem to shut up about Jesus. It doesn&#8217;t matter how polished the Discovery Institute&#8217;s talking points are; it&#8217;s the people at the center of these things, these people just don&#8217;t get it. They have no idea what they&#8217;re doing wrong. </p>
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		By: itzac		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 18:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure if Isabar is a poe or what, but I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said after the first sentence. Creationism is religion, and belongs in church. You teach whatever you want there. No one is saying you can&#039;t. Your beliefs are demonstrably wrong, but church is exactly the right place to be teaching them. Go to, and keep it out of science classes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure if Isabar is a poe or what, but I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said after the first sentence. Creationism is religion, and belongs in church. You teach whatever you want there. No one is saying you can&#8217;t. Your beliefs are demonstrably wrong, but church is exactly the right place to be teaching them. Go to, and keep it out of science classes.</p>
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		By: MadScientist		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 06:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d like to tell that David Tate: Spend your own money on the lawsuits you goddamned dubmbshit.

Unfortunately we see many places (like the whole state of Texas) wasting money this way - it means less money in the education budget for carrying out the mandated tasks like teaching, but the creationists repeatedly prove that they don&#039;t give a shit about education, they only care about preaching their jesus lies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to tell that David Tate: Spend your own money on the lawsuits you goddamned dubmbshit.</p>
<p>Unfortunately we see many places (like the whole state of Texas) wasting money this way &#8211; it means less money in the education budget for carrying out the mandated tasks like teaching, but the creationists repeatedly prove that they don&#8217;t give a shit about education, they only care about preaching their jesus lies.</p>
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		By: chris		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 22:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;The board&#039;s attorney confirmed that it would be unconstitutional for the schools to teach creationism.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is the part I don&#039;t get about these cases. They flatly ignore the person paid to protect them from liability. They don&#039;t &lt;i&gt;want&lt;/i&gt; litigation, but they&#039;re willing to &lt;i&gt;risk&lt;/i&gt; it. 100% probability isn&#039;t really a risk, especially when all the plaintiffs would have to do is introduce Tate&#039;s quote on the first day and ask for a summary judgment, right? It&#039;s just stupidity.

Would this attorney end up having to defend the district if they ignore his advice?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The board&#8217;s attorney confirmed that it would be unconstitutional for the schools to teach creationism.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is the part I don&#8217;t get about these cases. They flatly ignore the person paid to protect them from liability. They don&#8217;t <i>want</i> litigation, but they&#8217;re willing to <i>risk</i> it. 100% probability isn&#8217;t really a risk, especially when all the plaintiffs would have to do is introduce Tate&#8217;s quote on the first day and ask for a summary judgment, right? It&#8217;s just stupidity.</p>
<p>Would this attorney end up having to defend the district if they ignore his advice?</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 22:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[With board members who think this way

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;We don&#039;t want litigation, but why not take a stand for Jesus and risk litigation.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

does anyone really think this issue will go away for long? What are the chances the board&#039;s attorney has to have a good stiff drink after every meeting with these loons?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With board members who think this way</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;We don&#8217;t want litigation, but why not take a stand for Jesus and risk litigation.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>does anyone really think this issue will go away for long? What are the chances the board&#8217;s attorney has to have a good stiff drink after every meeting with these loons?</p>
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