Comments on: Did a 15-year old Nazi cause himself to be raped in Minnesota?

By: disgusted

disgusted — Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:46:08 +0000

The kid was not a Nazi and not even anti-semetic until after the assault. After the assault he wanted to kill this guy. The kid knew this man since he was 11 years old. This attorney wants us to believe that he was “controlled” by a child? Good grief! Classic case of smearing the victim. Desperate times for Biber means desperate measures. It is truely pathetic.

By: Art

Art — Thu, 15 Jul 2010 08:47:06 +0000

Police: You’re middle-aged, a lawyer, and the kid is fifteen years old and you fucked him. That’s rape, and it’s off to jail for you.

Biber : But he wore a Hitler outfit and was like totally in charge of the the relationship.

Police: Well, you can’t argue with that. Let him go.

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Somehow, I doubt that it is going to work out that way. I would like to get a picture of the judges face when Biber makes that argument. Or Biber’s face when he figures out that he is likely to be getting intensive empathy therapy from his roommates during his state sponsored vacation.

By: DuWayne

DuWayne — Thu, 15 Jul 2010 05:55:58 +0000

As are politicians and people in authority over the parent of a given child.

Sorry, I meant to include jurists, but as that was actually the relevant category, of course I failed to mention it.

By: DuWayne

DuWayne — Thu, 15 Jul 2010 05:52:04 +0000

In MI jurists are also authority figures.

By: Greg Laden

Greg Laden — Thu, 15 Jul 2010 05:44:27 +0000

I don’t know where the authority things comes from in this case. Maybe he was a Big Brother or a Scout Leader or something)

By: DuWayne

DuWayne — Thu, 15 Jul 2010 05:27:49 +0000

I am guessing he isn’t much of a lawyer and doesn’t have much of a lawyer – unless the authority law is a whole lot different in MN, than it is here in MI.

“Position of authority” here, refers to teachers, parents, therapists, leaders in extracurricular activities (ie. scout leaders, ministers/church leaders, after-school program leaders, etc.), anyone employed or volunteering for public safety (cops, EMTs, firepersons, etc.) and doctors. I am sure I am missing some, but you get the drift. And it wouldn’t matter what the situation was – it is illegal.

The age of consent is sixteen in MI, unless you are an authority figure – in that case the age of consent is 21. Before the age of consent, it is illegal for anyone, but the consequences are considerably worse for persons in positions of authority. I would be shocked if there were any difference, except the age of consent, in MN law.

By: Greg Laden

Greg Laden — Thu, 15 Jul 2010 05:11:13 +0000

OK, here’s the thing: Biber is going down for assault, but in Minnesota, there is a big difference in sentencing between “Sexual assault of a minor” and “Sexual assault of a minor while in a position of authority.”

According to the Star Tribune: “Goldberger said the heart of the defense will be that the boy was more controlling than Biber. “He controlled when they got together … when they could talk and who would be in the dominant position” during sexual acts, Goldberger said.”

And, the fact that Biber is Jewish and the Hitler-dressed kid is not was part of the defense argument to allow the photos.

I guess a defense like this, though a long shot, might make sense in relation to the specific “authority” thingie.

By: Left_Wing_Fox

Left_Wing_Fox — Thu, 15 Jul 2010 01:53:31 +0000

So, is this guy expecting people to believe a 15 year old kid was his dom, he’s the sub, and the underage dom is charging him with rape?

Shit, not even furry porn has prepared me for that level of implausibility.

By: Gerard Harbison

Gerard Harbison — Wed, 14 Jul 2010 23:32:39 +0000

You can’t *cause* yourself to be raped. Rape is *by* *definition* sex without your consent.

Good freaking grief.

By: Giffy

Giffy — Wed, 14 Jul 2010 23:27:36 +0000

I can’t see the judge allowing those in. They would incredibly prejudicial and would have almost no probative value. So the kid’s a Nazi, what does that have to do with whether he was raped or not? Hell he might not even be a Nazi but might just have horrible taste in costumes.

Sounds like the classic make the victim look bad in court tactic.