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		By: Sam		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/06/27/are-women-bailing-out-of-it/#comment-519286</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 09:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Or are they being pushed out, but blamed for it?&quot;

It used to be normal for a woman to be in I.T. years ago.   They have been pushed out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Or are they being pushed out, but blamed for it?&#8221;</p>
<p>It used to be normal for a woman to be in I.T. years ago.   They have been pushed out.</p>
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		By: Jenny		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/06/27/are-women-bailing-out-of-it/#comment-519285</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 21:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Greg, thanks for sharing this piece. Interesting that you picked up on the (potentially gendered) difference between women &quot;bailing out&quot; and being &quot;forced out.&quot; Makes you wonder, do men bail out or feel forced out for different reasons? 

One thing we know is that the strategies that help to recruit and retain women actually benefit men, too: Making workplace flexibility policies formal, for ALL employees, rather than informal; instituting mentoring and clear paths to career advancement; and establishing merit-based performance evaluation procedures. Maybe women are just the canary in the coal mine.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Greg, thanks for sharing this piece. Interesting that you picked up on the (potentially gendered) difference between women &#8220;bailing out&#8221; and being &#8220;forced out.&#8221; Makes you wonder, do men bail out or feel forced out for different reasons? </p>
<p>One thing we know is that the strategies that help to recruit and retain women actually benefit men, too: Making workplace flexibility policies formal, for ALL employees, rather than informal; instituting mentoring and clear paths to career advancement; and establishing merit-based performance evaluation procedures. Maybe women are just the canary in the coal mine.</p>
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		By: Bruce		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/06/27/are-women-bailing-out-of-it/#comment-519284</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 04:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[More proof that women are smarter than men.
Lots of very smart people are laid off.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More proof that women are smarter than men.<br />
Lots of very smart people are laid off.</p>
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		By: D. C. Sessions		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/06/27/are-women-bailing-out-of-it/#comment-519283</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[D. C. Sessions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 02:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Bailing out&quot; is a loaded (you decide with what) term for the well-known problem of differential retention in STEM, especially IT-related sectors.  The gender differential STEM/IT employment is known to have two basic components: low differential recruitment at the educational end, and low retention in the workplace.

Both appear to be complex accumulations of several individual factors, not all known and not well quantified.  Which means that there won&#039;t be any silver bullets -- which should come as no surprise.

NB: $DAUGHTER was originally researching the differential recruitment issue, decided that the retention issue was more promising, and then got interested in another facet entirely.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Bailing out&#8221; is a loaded (you decide with what) term for the well-known problem of differential retention in STEM, especially IT-related sectors.  The gender differential STEM/IT employment is known to have two basic components: low differential recruitment at the educational end, and low retention in the workplace.</p>
<p>Both appear to be complex accumulations of several individual factors, not all known and not well quantified.  Which means that there won&#8217;t be any silver bullets &#8212; which should come as no surprise.</p>
<p>NB: $DAUGHTER was originally researching the differential recruitment issue, decided that the retention issue was more promising, and then got interested in another facet entirely.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/06/27/are-women-bailing-out-of-it/#comment-519282</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 21:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[IIRC the comment makes no citations.  

Regarding your first point, I&#039;m talking about the title.  You can tell that because I, like, use the word &quot;title&quot; and shit. However, I quickly add: I had a sentence in there that I deleted and did not replaced that specifically noted the possibility that the title of this article was written by some hack editor and not the writer.   Just guessing, of course. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IIRC the comment makes no citations.  </p>
<p>Regarding your first point, I&#8217;m talking about the title.  You can tell that because I, like, use the word &#8220;title&#8221; and shit. However, I quickly add: I had a sentence in there that I deleted and did not replaced that specifically noted the possibility that the title of this article was written by some hack editor and not the writer.   Just guessing, of course. </p>
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		By: D. C. Sessions		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/06/27/are-women-bailing-out-of-it/#comment-519281</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[D. C. Sessions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 21:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;What I find interesting, aside from the main issue (which is not surprising) is that the title of the  blog post  on this supposedly women-oriented site refers to women bailing out, while the situation really seems more like they are being&quot;forced out.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I left to pursue other interests,
You bailed from a bad job,
She was forced out by harassment.

&lt;blockquote&gt;And of course, the first comment mansplains that women get paid less because they are more willing to take the first offer they are given. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

IIRC the conversation with $DAUGHTER on that point, the original research that pointed at that bit of mansplaining was by female gender sociologists.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What I find interesting, aside from the main issue (which is not surprising) is that the title of the  blog post  on this supposedly women-oriented site refers to women bailing out, while the situation really seems more like they are being&#8221;forced out.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I left to pursue other interests,<br />
You bailed from a bad job,<br />
She was forced out by harassment.</p>
<blockquote><p>And of course, the first comment mansplains that women get paid less because they are more willing to take the first offer they are given. </p></blockquote>
<p>IIRC the conversation with $DAUGHTER on that point, the original research that pointed at that bit of mansplaining was by female gender sociologists.</p>
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