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		By: Joseph M.		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/06/26/the-myth-of-christianity-found/#comment-839419</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph M.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jan 2020 00:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I read the sources. Good arguments, but many historically and culturally fallacious ones as well. Doesn&#039;t matter – they are too subtle and nuanced for most Christians to understand. So I&#039;m comfortable bashing my nutty religious relatives over the head with Jim Walker&#039;s for-the-most-part astute commentaries.

But who is this &quot;Jim Walker&quot;? Do you or any of your readers know? I cannot locate anything about him online – no home page or anything. This is complicated by the fact that there&#039;s a high profile Rev. James (Jim) Walker, a different person, who writes on Islam and Christianity from a fundamentalist Christian perspective.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the sources. Good arguments, but many historically and culturally fallacious ones as well. Doesn&#8217;t matter – they are too subtle and nuanced for most Christians to understand. So I&#8217;m comfortable bashing my nutty religious relatives over the head with Jim Walker&#8217;s for-the-most-part astute commentaries.</p>
<p>But who is this &#8220;Jim Walker&#8221;? Do you or any of your readers know? I cannot locate anything about him online – no home page or anything. This is complicated by the fact that there&#8217;s a high profile Rev. James (Jim) Walker, a different person, who writes on Islam and Christianity from a fundamentalist Christian perspective.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2020 20:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/06/26/the-myth-of-christianity-found/#comment-839128&quot;&gt;allan&lt;/a&gt;.

I actually didn&#039;t make it up.  I stole it from someone else.  I also supplied a link to the source so people can go and find out the source of this idea, and learn more about it, and how the graph is made.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/06/26/the-myth-of-christianity-found/#comment-839128">allan</a>.</p>
<p>I actually didn&#8217;t make it up.  I stole it from someone else.  I also supplied a link to the source so people can go and find out the source of this idea, and learn more about it, and how the graph is made.</p>
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		By: allan		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/06/26/the-myth-of-christianity-found/#comment-839128</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[allan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2020 19:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually, you can find a number of sources that have knowledge growing in a linear fashion well into the mid-1900&#039;s and then exponentially round about the 1980&#039;s.  pretty sure you just made up a graph to illustrate an opinion... not to display actual data.  Kind of funny when you&#039;re arguing &quot;science&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, you can find a number of sources that have knowledge growing in a linear fashion well into the mid-1900&#8217;s and then exponentially round about the 1980&#8217;s.  pretty sure you just made up a graph to illustrate an opinion&#8230; not to display actual data.  Kind of funny when you&#8217;re arguing &#8220;science&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Rae Kirk		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/06/26/the-myth-of-christianity-found/#comment-596926</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rae Kirk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2018 15:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi you have a wonderful Posting site It was very easy to post all the best]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi you have a wonderful Posting site It was very easy to post all the best</p>
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		By: bill billson		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/06/26/the-myth-of-christianity-found/#comment-555536</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bill billson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2017 18:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mr Holt, excellent point. 

Any admission of Christianity hear, is
a source of contention and liability.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Holt, excellent point. </p>
<p>Any admission of Christianity hear, is<br />
a source of contention and liability.</p>
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		By: James R. Holt Jr.		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/06/26/the-myth-of-christianity-found/#comment-555437</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James R. Holt Jr.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2017 22:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/06/26/the-myth-of-christianity-found/#comment-519087&quot;&gt;lylebot&lt;/a&gt;.

And one of them is to intentionally destroy all of the old knowledge.  As a Christian who is also a scientist by training, I must remind everyone that it was the Church that ran around and gathered up old manuscripts and scrolls and such and stored them away when the Western Roman Empire fell circa 476 AD.  Much of the ancient knowledge we have today would have been destroyed by the elements other religions and yes some less far-sighted Christians too but much of what we know today based on the ancient and classical knowledge was specifically purposely saved by the church&#039;s monastic orders.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/06/26/the-myth-of-christianity-found/#comment-519087">lylebot</a>.</p>
<p>And one of them is to intentionally destroy all of the old knowledge.  As a Christian who is also a scientist by training, I must remind everyone that it was the Church that ran around and gathered up old manuscripts and scrolls and such and stored them away when the Western Roman Empire fell circa 476 AD.  Much of the ancient knowledge we have today would have been destroyed by the elements other religions and yes some less far-sighted Christians too but much of what we know today based on the ancient and classical knowledge was specifically purposely saved by the church&#8217;s monastic orders.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The graph is not meant to be scientific, only inflammatory.&quot;

Yes, indeed!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The graph is not meant to be scientific, only inflammatory.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, indeed!</p>
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		By: Aaron K.		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/06/26/the-myth-of-christianity-found/#comment-519092</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aaron K.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2014 12:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The graph is not meant to be scientific, only inflammatory.  First of all, the term &quot;dark ages&quot;, is mostly antiquated and to pretend there were no advancements in the scientific world during this time is plain silly....even in the Christian world.  Secondly, this time period is often referred to, by modern historians/scientists, as the Islamic golden age.  Simply spectacular advancements in art, literature, poetry, architecture, medicine, and mathematics occurred during this time.  Please don&#039;t let this christian hating graph blind you to the beautiful human creations of this time period.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The graph is not meant to be scientific, only inflammatory.  First of all, the term &#8220;dark ages&#8221;, is mostly antiquated and to pretend there were no advancements in the scientific world during this time is plain silly&#8230;.even in the Christian world.  Secondly, this time period is often referred to, by modern historians/scientists, as the Islamic golden age.  Simply spectacular advancements in art, literature, poetry, architecture, medicine, and mathematics occurred during this time.  Please don&#8217;t let this christian hating graph blind you to the beautiful human creations of this time period.</p>
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		By: Karen S.		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/06/26/the-myth-of-christianity-found/#comment-519091</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karen S.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 23:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the link, I enjoyed it - the Index site is great good fun and I can see what you&#039;re saying in relation to the topic.

&quot;which is clearly cartoonish and an attempt to make a specific point&quot;

Well, we agree on something at least!

&quot;What is YMMV? You really ought to spell out the abbreviations the first time you use them. Laughing Out Loud! (LOL)&quot;

YGTBK, YKWIM? ;)

(back in the BBS day we used to use actual English almost always if memory serves, I don&#039;t know what happened...)

Have a good week.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link, I enjoyed it &#8211; the Index site is great good fun and I can see what you&#8217;re saying in relation to the topic.</p>
<p>&#8220;which is clearly cartoonish and an attempt to make a specific point&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, we agree on something at least!</p>
<p>&#8220;What is YMMV? You really ought to spell out the abbreviations the first time you use them. Laughing Out Loud! (LOL)&#8221;</p>
<p>YGTBK, YKWIM? 😉</p>
<p>(back in the BBS day we used to use actual English almost always if memory serves, I don&#8217;t know what happened&#8230;)</p>
<p>Have a good week.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 17:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Karen, sorry, but I simply don&#039;t agree. This is you not relating to this kind of presentation, which is fine. Its also you schooling me on statistics which is a little embarassing since I&#039;ve taught it at the graduate level at MRU, but you could not know that.

Think of it this way: You know what cartoon xkcd?  I predict you don&#039;t like that either, based on what you&#039;re saying here, but I could be wrong. Anyway, many of xkcd&#039;s cartoons are pithy commentaries on life, history, society, whatever. They work.  Thy are stick figure line drawings.

It may be helpful to think of this graph, which is clearly cartoonish and an attempt to make a specific point, a cartoon that looks like a graph.  That, indeed, is what it is.

While we&#039;re on the subject of graphs that don&#039;t pass as good graphs for use in research papers but still make valuable points (though usualy just for fun), have you seen the index card graphs?  Check out this example:

http://thisisindexed.com/

If you like, but it is a bit harder, you can find examples of graphs done in this manner but that are quite serious conceptualizations that have zero data but that show relationships.  

One could argue that each and every graph used in Economics with &quot;U&quot; as the vertical axis is unlabeled.

What is YMMV?  You really ought to spell out the abbreviations the first time you use them.  Laughing Out Loud! (LOL)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen, sorry, but I simply don&#8217;t agree. This is you not relating to this kind of presentation, which is fine. Its also you schooling me on statistics which is a little embarassing since I&#8217;ve taught it at the graduate level at MRU, but you could not know that.</p>
<p>Think of it this way: You know what cartoon xkcd?  I predict you don&#8217;t like that either, based on what you&#8217;re saying here, but I could be wrong. Anyway, many of xkcd&#8217;s cartoons are pithy commentaries on life, history, society, whatever. They work.  Thy are stick figure line drawings.</p>
<p>It may be helpful to think of this graph, which is clearly cartoonish and an attempt to make a specific point, a cartoon that looks like a graph.  That, indeed, is what it is.</p>
<p>While we&#8217;re on the subject of graphs that don&#8217;t pass as good graphs for use in research papers but still make valuable points (though usualy just for fun), have you seen the index card graphs?  Check out this example:</p>
<p><a href="http://thisisindexed.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://thisisindexed.com/</a></p>
<p>If you like, but it is a bit harder, you can find examples of graphs done in this manner but that are quite serious conceptualizations that have zero data but that show relationships.  </p>
<p>One could argue that each and every graph used in Economics with &#8220;U&#8221; as the vertical axis is unlabeled.</p>
<p>What is YMMV?  You really ought to spell out the abbreviations the first time you use them.  Laughing Out Loud! (LOL)</p>
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