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		By: Ophelia Benson		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/06/20/oedipus-maximus-the-curious-ca/#comment-518741</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ophelia Benson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 18:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry about the confusion! Paul, Dave - what&#039;s the diff?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about the confusion! Paul, Dave &#8211; what&#8217;s the diff?</p>
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		By: Dave W.		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/06/20/oedipus-maximus-the-curious-ca/#comment-518740</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave W.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 22:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mom didn&#039;t tell you about her days with the subversive commune and their plans to crash government computers via an ever-expanding population of citizens with single-letter last names?  The dot afterwards is just to throw people off the scent.

(Seriously, from Internet searches, I actually know of someone named Paul who shares my full last name.  It&#039;d be pretty funny if you were he, but I&#039;m also fairly certain that you&#039;re not.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mom didn&#8217;t tell you about her days with the subversive commune and their plans to crash government computers via an ever-expanding population of citizens with single-letter last names?  The dot afterwards is just to throw people off the scent.</p>
<p>(Seriously, from Internet searches, I actually know of someone named Paul who shares my full last name.  It&#8217;d be pretty funny if you were he, but I&#8217;m also fairly certain that you&#8217;re not.)</p>
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		By: Dave W.		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/06/20/oedipus-maximus-the-curious-ca/#comment-518739</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave W.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 22:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mom didn&#039;t tell you about her days with the subversive commune and their plans to crash government computers via an ever-expanding population of citizens with single-letter last names?  The dot afterwards is just to throw people off the scent.

(Seriously, from Internet searches, I actually know of someone named Paul who shares my full last name.  It&#039;d be pretty funny if you were he, but I&#039;m also fairly certain that you&#039;re not.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mom didn&#8217;t tell you about her days with the subversive commune and their plans to crash government computers via an ever-expanding population of citizens with single-letter last names?  The dot afterwards is just to throw people off the scent.</p>
<p>(Seriously, from Internet searches, I actually know of someone named Paul who shares my full last name.  It&#8217;d be pretty funny if you were he, but I&#8217;m also fairly certain that you&#8217;re not.)</p>
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		By: Paul W.		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/06/20/oedipus-maximus-the-curious-ca/#comment-518738</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul W.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 17:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg,
&lt;blockquote&gt;Why would Dave W and Paul W be confused?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I figure it&#039;s likely that &quot;Dave&quot; and &quot;Paul&quot; are both unmemorable one-syllable consonant-vowel-consonant names for somebody on the internet---likely just another guy, likely white, etc.  Signing with the last initial W, on the other hand, is considerably less common and more memorable.

Or we could be confused because our parents never told us our whole last name, or which one was the evil twin.  I&#039;ve always wondered why mom not only wouldn&#039;t tell us who our father was, but felt the need to maintain her pseudonymity with her own sons.

(Dave W, thanks for passing along the props.  It&#039;s always
good to know when somebody notices, especially somebody I respect.)
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg,</p>
<blockquote><p>Why would Dave W and Paul W be confused?</p></blockquote>
<p>I figure it&#8217;s likely that &#8220;Dave&#8221; and &#8220;Paul&#8221; are both unmemorable one-syllable consonant-vowel-consonant names for somebody on the internet&#8212;likely just another guy, likely white, etc.  Signing with the last initial W, on the other hand, is considerably less common and more memorable.</p>
<p>Or we could be confused because our parents never told us our whole last name, or which one was the evil twin.  I&#8217;ve always wondered why mom not only wouldn&#8217;t tell us who our father was, but felt the need to maintain her pseudonymity with her own sons.</p>
<p>(Dave W, thanks for passing along the props.  It&#8217;s always<br />
good to know when somebody notices, especially somebody I respect.)</p>
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		By: Dave W.		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/06/20/oedipus-maximus-the-curious-ca/#comment-518737</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave W.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 20:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg Laden wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Why would Dave W and Paul W be confused?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ask Ophelia Benson.

By the way, Paul W., Ophelia&#039;s got some props for you that she mistakenly gave me:

http://www.butterfliesandwheels.org/2010/how-to-do-dialogue/#comment-53347

I had a clever user name, once.  But it was from my teenaged, being-a-BBS-asswipe years.  Much better left behind.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg Laden wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>Why would Dave W and Paul W be confused?</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Ask Ophelia Benson.</p>
<p>By the way, Paul W., Ophelia&#8217;s got some props for you that she mistakenly gave me:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.butterfliesandwheels.org/2010/how-to-do-dialogue/#comment-53347" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.butterfliesandwheels.org/2010/how-to-do-dialogue/#comment-53347</a></p>
<p>I had a clever user name, once.  But it was from my teenaged, being-a-BBS-asswipe years.  Much better left behind.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/06/20/oedipus-maximus-the-curious-ca/#comment-518736</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 06:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why would Dave W and Paul W be confused?  Are you twin brothers perhaps?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would Dave W and Paul W be confused?  Are you twin brothers perhaps?</p>
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		By: Paul W.		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/06/20/oedipus-maximus-the-curious-ca/#comment-518735</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul W.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 05:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just to preempt possible confusions: there are two Pauls here in this thread... I&#039;m &quot;Paul W.&quot;, but not &quot;Paul&quot;.

I&#039;m also not &lt;i&gt;Dave&lt;/i&gt; W. above. (We&#039;ve been mistaken for each other before, too.  I wish I&#039;d thought of a clever unique &#039;nym when I started doing this. *sigh*)


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to preempt possible confusions: there are two Pauls here in this thread&#8230; I&#8217;m &#8220;Paul W.&#8221;, but not &#8220;Paul&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also not <i>Dave</i> W. above. (We&#8217;ve been mistaken for each other before, too.  I wish I&#8217;d thought of a clever unique &#8216;nym when I started doing this. *sigh*)</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/06/20/oedipus-maximus-the-curious-ca/#comment-518734</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 05:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;I would like to take this chance to point out that Greg Laden participated in editing people&#039;s posts in an unflattering manner during a previous scuffle with the Pharyngula commentariat. &lt;/em&gt;

No I did not.  I added my own commentary to existing comments (I think one or two of them, probably two), and that it was added cometary was supposed to be obvious.  You and a few others created the folklore that I was &quot;changing people&#039;s comments&quot; as though I was subtling editing, and as though I was doing it habitually, because you could not resist hyping that up.  

In fact, your pit-bull dogedness in pursuing this issue was exemplary of why I wrote the post that originally started that fight.  

And, at the time, it was a matter for me of deleting the comment, letting it go as is, or adding my sarcasm.  I chose to add the sarcasm.  That was a mistake for a number of reasons, but honestly, Paul, one of those reasons turned out to be that a handful of commenters simply don&#039;t know how to behave.  In other words, I made a mistake, but that mistake was in part me overestimating the ability of other people in the conversation to act like adults.  

Paul, you and others may or may not recall how absurd things got on that post.  That is not going to happen now. At this moment I&#039;m firmly asserting that there will be no such bickering at this time on this post.  I&#039;m asking this of you as well, Stephanie.  This back and forth ends here.

Comments on this post are not in limited moderation.  If you write a comment and it gets held up, please refrain from going OT paranoid.  Just be patient,  I&#039;ll most likely release it.  

Thank you very much. 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I would like to take this chance to point out that Greg Laden participated in editing people&#8217;s posts in an unflattering manner during a previous scuffle with the Pharyngula commentariat. </em></p>
<p>No I did not.  I added my own commentary to existing comments (I think one or two of them, probably two), and that it was added cometary was supposed to be obvious.  You and a few others created the folklore that I was &#8220;changing people&#8217;s comments&#8221; as though I was subtling editing, and as though I was doing it habitually, because you could not resist hyping that up.  </p>
<p>In fact, your pit-bull dogedness in pursuing this issue was exemplary of why I wrote the post that originally started that fight.  </p>
<p>And, at the time, it was a matter for me of deleting the comment, letting it go as is, or adding my sarcasm.  I chose to add the sarcasm.  That was a mistake for a number of reasons, but honestly, Paul, one of those reasons turned out to be that a handful of commenters simply don&#8217;t know how to behave.  In other words, I made a mistake, but that mistake was in part me overestimating the ability of other people in the conversation to act like adults.  </p>
<p>Paul, you and others may or may not recall how absurd things got on that post.  That is not going to happen now. At this moment I&#8217;m firmly asserting that there will be no such bickering at this time on this post.  I&#8217;m asking this of you as well, Stephanie.  This back and forth ends here.</p>
<p>Comments on this post are not in limited moderation.  If you write a comment and it gets held up, please refrain from going OT paranoid.  Just be patient,  I&#8217;ll most likely release it.  </p>
<p>Thank you very much. </p>
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		By: Stephanie Z		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/06/20/oedipus-maximus-the-curious-ca/#comment-518733</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephanie Z]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 03:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Paul, I was dismissive how?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, I was dismissive how?</p>
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		By: Paul		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/06/20/oedipus-maximus-the-curious-ca/#comment-518732</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 02:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Contrary to the claims of the person on Greg&#039;s most recent YNH thread who called this bullying, this sort of examination of bad behavior can have a protective effect for the people targeted for defamation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I would like to take this chance to point out that Greg Laden participated in editing people&#039;s posts in an unflattering manner during a previous scuffle with the Pharyngula commentariat.  You (and he) seemed dismissive of the people who were calling it out as rather bad behavior.  It wasn&#039;t this scale, admittedly, but the same behavior was there.  I suppose at least no sockpuppets were harmed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Contrary to the claims of the person on Greg&#8217;s most recent YNH thread who called this bullying, this sort of examination of bad behavior can have a protective effect for the people targeted for defamation.</p></blockquote>
<p>I would like to take this chance to point out that Greg Laden participated in editing people&#8217;s posts in an unflattering manner during a previous scuffle with the Pharyngula commentariat.  You (and he) seemed dismissive of the people who were calling it out as rather bad behavior.  It wasn&#8217;t this scale, admittedly, but the same behavior was there.  I suppose at least no sockpuppets were harmed.</p>
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