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	Comments on: Primitive Cultures are Simple, while Civilization is Complex: Part 1	</title>
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		By: morganism		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 07:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We are spending all our time on a permaculture gardening site UNLEARNING just about everything we thought we knew about gardening.  HG is even harder, and if you fail the tests, you either starve, or poison yourself. 

We aren&#039;t trying to be druids, or native americans, just trying to not poison ourselves, heal it when we do hurt ourselves, and not screw up the dirt. Turns out you aren&#039;t even supposed to dig it up and turn it over ! Ocean water is best for everything in small amounts.  Worms destroy forests.

It&#039;s way harder than quantum chromodynamics.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are spending all our time on a permaculture gardening site UNLEARNING just about everything we thought we knew about gardening.  HG is even harder, and if you fail the tests, you either starve, or poison yourself. </p>
<p>We aren&#8217;t trying to be druids, or native americans, just trying to not poison ourselves, heal it when we do hurt ourselves, and not screw up the dirt. Turns out you aren&#8217;t even supposed to dig it up and turn it over ! Ocean water is best for everything in small amounts.  Worms destroy forests.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s way harder than quantum chromodynamics.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nice try, Harold, but you are making that up.  Thanks for the link Stephanie.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice try, Harold, but you are making that up.  Thanks for the link Stephanie.  </p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kirth:
&lt;em&gt;Falsehood: Most if not all westerners look down on hunter-gatherers.

Truth: Some do. On the other hand, some idolize them far beyond what they are. &lt;/em&gt;

First, no.  The numbers you have are reversed.  Most westerners do not live in the humbling places, and most westerners assume that foragers are primitive forms of humans.  Also, those who &quot;idolize them&quot; and see them through Rousseauian  glasses are not failing to look down on them by doing so.

I can count on the number of fingers found in a typical group of foragers the number of people I know who have a realistic,  reasonably accurate idea of forager lifeway, what it involved, and what the variation is.  Others are not intentionally looking down (or up) at foragers, but most think that they know enough to have opinions.  Which they don&#039;t and they shouldn&#039;t.  What most people think of foragers is fantasy, one way or another.  The people who are being concieved of deserve to be thought of as they are or have been, just like anyone else. 

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirth:<br />
<em>Falsehood: Most if not all westerners look down on hunter-gatherers.</p>
<p>Truth: Some do. On the other hand, some idolize them far beyond what they are. </em></p>
<p>First, no.  The numbers you have are reversed.  Most westerners do not live in the humbling places, and most westerners assume that foragers are primitive forms of humans.  Also, those who &#8220;idolize them&#8221; and see them through Rousseauian  glasses are not failing to look down on them by doing so.</p>
<p>I can count on the number of fingers found in a typical group of foragers the number of people I know who have a realistic,  reasonably accurate idea of forager lifeway, what it involved, and what the variation is.  Others are not intentionally looking down (or up) at foragers, but most think that they know enough to have opinions.  Which they don&#8217;t and they shouldn&#8217;t.  What most people think of foragers is fantasy, one way or another.  The people who are being concieved of deserve to be thought of as they are or have been, just like anyone else. </p>
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		By: Stephanie Z		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Harald, &quot;rare&quot; modern missionaries are perhaps not as rare as you&#039;d like to think. Try this for some background reading.

http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/missionaries/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harald, &#8220;rare&#8221; modern missionaries are perhaps not as rare as you&#8217;d like to think. Try this for some background reading.</p>
<p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/missionaries/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/missionaries/</a></p>
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		By: Harald Korneliussen		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/05/23/primitive-cultures-are-simple-3/#comment-518505</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harald Korneliussen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 10:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&gt;Missionaries will tell you that the primitive people are morally inferior. Missionaries suck.

What I&#039;ve read of missionary history suggests that while they were by definition not cultural relativists, and certainly not free from racism and cultural bigotry, they also had far more nice words for their host cultures than non-missionaries. Typically that would be along &quot;noble savage&quot; lines, less decadent etc. In many senses the opposite of morally inferior.

That&#039;s historical missionaries. Today, it&#039;s a rare missionary to &quot;primitive&quot; peoples who isn&#039;t passionately concerned with the protection of their language, ways of life and traditions (as long as they don&#039;t conflict with the missionary&#039;s religion ... in which they can be recorded and stored away like the Icelandic Eddas).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>Missionaries will tell you that the primitive people are morally inferior. Missionaries suck.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;ve read of missionary history suggests that while they were by definition not cultural relativists, and certainly not free from racism and cultural bigotry, they also had far more nice words for their host cultures than non-missionaries. Typically that would be along &#8220;noble savage&#8221; lines, less decadent etc. In many senses the opposite of morally inferior.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s historical missionaries. Today, it&#8217;s a rare missionary to &#8220;primitive&#8221; peoples who isn&#8217;t passionately concerned with the protection of their language, ways of life and traditions (as long as they don&#8217;t conflict with the missionary&#8217;s religion &#8230; in which they can be recorded and stored away like the Icelandic Eddas).</p>
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		By: Kirth Gersen		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/05/23/primitive-cultures-are-simple-3/#comment-518504</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kirth Gersen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 05:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Falsehood: Most if not all westerners look down on hunter-gatherers. 

Truth: Some do. On the other hand, some idolize them far beyond what they are. Some have lived in the third world (and in the field, desert, and mountains here in the U.S.) and know a lot of what&#039;s involved in survival as a hunter-gatherer (and how much harder it is if you don&#039;t start with at least a knife).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Falsehood: Most if not all westerners look down on hunter-gatherers. </p>
<p>Truth: Some do. On the other hand, some idolize them far beyond what they are. Some have lived in the third world (and in the field, desert, and mountains here in the U.S.) and know a lot of what&#8217;s involved in survival as a hunter-gatherer (and how much harder it is if you don&#8217;t start with at least a knife).</p>
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