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		By: Bjorn Watland		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/05/07/hawk-pwns-moth-crowd-cheers/#comment-518254</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bjorn Watland]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 03:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We happened to be at many games this week and saw the kestrel on Tuesday night, but the game was more interesting then the bird, so not too many people paid attention.  Thursday night was a different story, which became obvious when I heard people making a racket over in right field.  I thought they were trying to start the wave, but they were hypnotized by a bird, which was much more interesting then the game at hand.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We happened to be at many games this week and saw the kestrel on Tuesday night, but the game was more interesting then the bird, so not too many people paid attention.  Thursday night was a different story, which became obvious when I heard people making a racket over in right field.  I thought they were trying to start the wave, but they were hypnotized by a bird, which was much more interesting then the game at hand.</p>
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		By: Crudely Wrott		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Crudely Wrott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 00:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Son of Koko

Yeah, I look up too when I hear birds make a sudden ruckus. I figure they must be onto something, what with being able to fly and look down on it all and stuff like that there.

I&#039;m so jealous.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Son of Koko</p>
<p>Yeah, I look up too when I hear birds make a sudden ruckus. I figure they must be onto something, what with being able to fly and look down on it all and stuff like that there.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so jealous.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 11:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Myjah!  Wazzaaah. So, what do you think this bird&#039;s name should be? Or should I say these birds (it makes sense that there is a pair, there usually is).

Kirby the Kestrel must be the name of one of them.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Myjah!  Wazzaaah. So, what do you think this bird&#8217;s name should be? Or should I say these birds (it makes sense that there is a pair, there usually is).</p>
<p>Kirby the Kestrel must be the name of one of them.  </p>
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		By: Myjah		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Myjah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 11:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I took that video!

It&#039;s Kirby the Kestrel!! He has been there several different days.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took that video!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s Kirby the Kestrel!! He has been there several different days.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 10:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There may be a perigrine falcon nesting near me somewhere. Last year, I saw one hunting pigeons ( http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/05/the_falcon_eats_tonight.php ) and the other day I saw one fry over our driveway.  The problem around here is nesting sites; It should not be hard to figure out a small number of candidate sites. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There may be a perigrine falcon nesting near me somewhere. Last year, I saw one hunting pigeons ( <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/05/the_falcon_eats_tonight.php" rel="nofollow ugc">http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/05/the_falcon_eats_tonight.php</a> ) and the other day I saw one fry over our driveway.  The problem around here is nesting sites; It should not be hard to figure out a small number of candidate sites. </p>
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		By: Son of Koko		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/05/07/hawk-pwns-moth-crowd-cheers/#comment-518249</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Son of Koko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 03:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If the genetic evidence from a recent study holds up, falcons may turn out to be distantly related to hawks, and more closely related to parrots and songbirds.  This would cause a serious reworking of the order that bears their name. (Falconiformes)
&lt;p&gt;Falcons are always a delight to see.  I&#039;ve seen kestrels hovering for minutes before swooping in on an unsuspecting dragonfly or field mouse.  I&#039;ve also observed merlins catching smaller birds on the wing.
&lt;p&gt;@Crudely
Whenever I hear a noisy group(murder?)of crows, I look up to see if they&#039;re harassing a hawk or owl.  The crows, in turn, are frequesntly divebombed by blackbirds, starlings or other smaller birds. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the genetic evidence from a recent study holds up, falcons may turn out to be distantly related to hawks, and more closely related to parrots and songbirds.  This would cause a serious reworking of the order that bears their name. (Falconiformes)</p>
<p>Falcons are always a delight to see.  I&#8217;ve seen kestrels hovering for minutes before swooping in on an unsuspecting dragonfly or field mouse.  I&#8217;ve also observed merlins catching smaller birds on the wing.
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<p>@Crudely<br />
Whenever I hear a noisy group(murder?)of crows, I look up to see if they&#8217;re harassing a hawk or owl.  The crows, in turn, are frequesntly divebombed by blackbirds, starlings or other smaller birds. </p>
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		By: Crudely Wrott		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/05/07/hawk-pwns-moth-crowd-cheers/#comment-518248</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Crudely Wrott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 00:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The turkey vultures have returned to the Miami Valley here in Ohio. I&#039;m not sure which day or hour but it was recently. On Thursday this week I was reminded as I was negotiating a tricky section of SR 725 in the company van.

My eye was caught by what looked like a large bird just going behind that tree there. I had to brake and turn against a contrary camber in the road and by the time I could look skyward again the previous blur had cleared the tree and was banking away from me. It only took on glance at the splayed primaries to identify the blur as Cathartidae and then immediately as turkey buzzard.

(What a name; turkey buzzard! My father used to call some of his friends &quot;old buzzards&quot; in much the same way as one might chide a friend as being a &quot;crazy motherfucker&quot; or an &quot;old fool.&quot; Funny how that works. These days I favor another of his favorite descriptions. Of someone who was championing something with little merit or usefulness he would declare, &quot;You&#039;re riding a colt, son.&quot; If your father was a cowboy you understand.)

Any way, as soon as I had the old buzzard in my sights it made a sharp bank to the right, lost considerable altitude and zipped through the upper branches of a sycamore. This informed me that it was not on a normal seek and eat flight pattern. Sure enough, just as I had to return my attention to a reducing radius downhill left hander I saw a tiny mote emerge from behind the sycamore and accelerate towards the old buzzard.

I squealed the tires a bit under late braking and it took a couple of seconds to locate the buzzard again.For a couple of seconds I had an unobstructed view of its flight pattern; ah! evasive action. Now I know what the tiny mote must be: little bird!

Judging by flight pattern and size I guess it was sparrow. They don&#039;t like any birds larger then they are. Sort of like how some people feel aggressive when some one bigger shows up. It may have been a finch since at a glance its flight patterns are similar to sparrows&#039;. No matter had it been a common blackbird, a red-wing, a grackle. Little ones swoop and peck; big ones cruise and dodge.

For years I&#039;ve watched this kind of aerial encounter where the little ones harass the big ones and have long nurtured the idea that the big ones, the buzzards and hawks and ravens, don&#039;t mind it so much. Something in their flight patterns shows restraint and tolerance even as they twist and dive away from the sharp beaks of their tiny tormentors. That attitude is honorable, I think. Also practical. So is the attitude of the little birds, who feel act in protection of their territory and their young.

On the other hand, the story of the Kestrel and the Moth just goes to show who&#039;s really the boss, even if both parties are well mannered or not.  Fly, bird, or die. Fly, moth, or die. To all, eat! and in your turn, be eaten.

Your nature post are frequently inspiring, nostalgic even, Greg. Thanks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The turkey vultures have returned to the Miami Valley here in Ohio. I&#8217;m not sure which day or hour but it was recently. On Thursday this week I was reminded as I was negotiating a tricky section of SR 725 in the company van.</p>
<p>My eye was caught by what looked like a large bird just going behind that tree there. I had to brake and turn against a contrary camber in the road and by the time I could look skyward again the previous blur had cleared the tree and was banking away from me. It only took on glance at the splayed primaries to identify the blur as Cathartidae and then immediately as turkey buzzard.</p>
<p>(What a name; turkey buzzard! My father used to call some of his friends &#8220;old buzzards&#8221; in much the same way as one might chide a friend as being a &#8220;crazy motherfucker&#8221; or an &#8220;old fool.&#8221; Funny how that works. These days I favor another of his favorite descriptions. Of someone who was championing something with little merit or usefulness he would declare, &#8220;You&#8217;re riding a colt, son.&#8221; If your father was a cowboy you understand.)</p>
<p>Any way, as soon as I had the old buzzard in my sights it made a sharp bank to the right, lost considerable altitude and zipped through the upper branches of a sycamore. This informed me that it was not on a normal seek and eat flight pattern. Sure enough, just as I had to return my attention to a reducing radius downhill left hander I saw a tiny mote emerge from behind the sycamore and accelerate towards the old buzzard.</p>
<p>I squealed the tires a bit under late braking and it took a couple of seconds to locate the buzzard again.For a couple of seconds I had an unobstructed view of its flight pattern; ah! evasive action. Now I know what the tiny mote must be: little bird!</p>
<p>Judging by flight pattern and size I guess it was sparrow. They don&#8217;t like any birds larger then they are. Sort of like how some people feel aggressive when some one bigger shows up. It may have been a finch since at a glance its flight patterns are similar to sparrows&#8217;. No matter had it been a common blackbird, a red-wing, a grackle. Little ones swoop and peck; big ones cruise and dodge.</p>
<p>For years I&#8217;ve watched this kind of aerial encounter where the little ones harass the big ones and have long nurtured the idea that the big ones, the buzzards and hawks and ravens, don&#8217;t mind it so much. Something in their flight patterns shows restraint and tolerance even as they twist and dive away from the sharp beaks of their tiny tormentors. That attitude is honorable, I think. Also practical. So is the attitude of the little birds, who feel act in protection of their territory and their young.</p>
<p>On the other hand, the story of the Kestrel and the Moth just goes to show who&#8217;s really the boss, even if both parties are well mannered or not.  Fly, bird, or die. Fly, moth, or die. To all, eat! and in your turn, be eaten.</p>
<p>Your nature post are frequently inspiring, nostalgic even, Greg. Thanks.</p>
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		By: John		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 00:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s a happier story than the one from Phoenix a few years ago, when a luckless pigeon picked off one of Randy Johnson&#039;s 95 MPH heaters.  Pitcher, batter, catcher and ump were all mystified.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a happier story than the one from Phoenix a few years ago, when a luckless pigeon picked off one of Randy Johnson&#8217;s 95 MPH heaters.  Pitcher, batter, catcher and ump were all mystified.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 22:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Or one vampire moth, bite to the neck,  bird spirals into the outfield, gasping. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or one vampire moth, bite to the neck,  bird spirals into the outfield, gasping. </p>
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		By: notedscholar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[notedscholar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 22:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is interesting that humans will naturally have a preference for hawks over moths in a predatory situation. I wonder what the crowd&#039;s reaction would have been if millions of moths suddenly devoured the hawk!

NS]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting that humans will naturally have a preference for hawks over moths in a predatory situation. I wonder what the crowd&#8217;s reaction would have been if millions of moths suddenly devoured the hawk!</p>
<p>NS</p>
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