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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2015 02:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mick, thanks for the info!  If I go down this year I&#039;ll definitely look you up and see if we can do a behind the scenes thing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mick, thanks for the info!  If I go down this year I&#8217;ll definitely look you up and see if we can do a behind the scenes thing.</p>
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		By: Mick Lunzer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mick Lunzer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2015 22:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I just accidentally stumbled on this post. It&#039;s really fun to read the speculation!  I work with the danger committee I&#039;m the one catching the knives. The knives are real, we don&#039;t fake any of our tricks. We don&#039;t wear armor or protection of any sort. Our show is typically have anywhere between 300 and 1000 eyewitnesses. We use colemans fuel for the knives and torches. The fuel will usually burn out before it will set something else on fire, which is why we, we are not in a hurry to pick up the knife or a torch that might drop. We have a $2 million liability insurance policy through performers of the USA. The danger committee Facebook page is a great place to contact us if you want real answers to your questions we also have a lot of eyewitnesses that will tell you we don&#039;t fake our stuff. We always said it would cost a lot more money to build some sort of contraption to fake a trick rather than learn it. Best way to find out is to come to a show.  We would be more than happy to give you a behind the scenes peek. We do Q and A after most of our shows. Www.thedangercommitte.com]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just accidentally stumbled on this post. It&#8217;s really fun to read the speculation!  I work with the danger committee I&#8217;m the one catching the knives. The knives are real, we don&#8217;t fake any of our tricks. We don&#8217;t wear armor or protection of any sort. Our show is typically have anywhere between 300 and 1000 eyewitnesses. We use colemans fuel for the knives and torches. The fuel will usually burn out before it will set something else on fire, which is why we, we are not in a hurry to pick up the knife or a torch that might drop. We have a $2 million liability insurance policy through performers of the USA. The danger committee Facebook page is a great place to contact us if you want real answers to your questions we also have a lot of eyewitnesses that will tell you we don&#8217;t fake our stuff. We always said it would cost a lot more money to build some sort of contraption to fake a trick rather than learn it. Best way to find out is to come to a show.  We would be more than happy to give you a behind the scenes peek. We do Q and A after most of our shows. <a href="http://Www.thedangercommitte.com" rel="nofollow ugc">http://Www.thedangercommitte.com</a></p>
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		By: Ben Zvan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben Zvan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 11:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[MadScientist: I&#039;m guessing here, from experience, not actually measuring or anything. A thrown knife should be closer to 10m/s.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MadScientist: I&#8217;m guessing here, from experience, not actually measuring or anything. A thrown knife should be closer to 10m/s.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 07:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On fire.]]></description>
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		By: MadScientist		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MadScientist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 06:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I suspect there&#039;s no protective clothing worn, and although you don&#039;t need a razor edge to hack a cucumber, even a pretty dull edge can rip into you.  In fact I&#039;d prefer the razor edge; any wound would heal better than a laceration from a dull edge.

I can imagine a few ways of doing the catching trick - it still takes a hell of a lot of practice though.  If anyone remembers that ninja episode on Mythbusters, that guy catching the arrows has incredible reflexes. Even with their bows tuned down, the arrows could be traveling at over 60 yards a second. I can&#039;t imagine the knives traveling anywhere near that speed.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect there&#8217;s no protective clothing worn, and although you don&#8217;t need a razor edge to hack a cucumber, even a pretty dull edge can rip into you.  In fact I&#8217;d prefer the razor edge; any wound would heal better than a laceration from a dull edge.</p>
<p>I can imagine a few ways of doing the catching trick &#8211; it still takes a hell of a lot of practice though.  If anyone remembers that ninja episode on Mythbusters, that guy catching the arrows has incredible reflexes. Even with their bows tuned down, the arrows could be traveling at over 60 yards a second. I can&#8217;t imagine the knives traveling anywhere near that speed.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 22:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I do not know if they wear anything protective. It is possible that there is hidden armor in a couple of places. 

The velocity is not the trick with the flaming knife.  I&#039;ll tell you in person if you buy me a beer. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not know if they wear anything protective. It is possible that there is hidden armor in a couple of places. </p>
<p>The velocity is not the trick with the flaming knife.  I&#8217;ll tell you in person if you buy me a beer. </p>
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		By: daedalus2u		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[daedalus2u]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 22:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In the rotating wheel, the only serious danger is to the eyes and throat.  Those are at the outside edge of the wheel.  If one could get within a one foot diameter target, it would be easy to never hit a vital spot.  

If the target wore something protective under his clothing, the risk of serious harm becomes pretty small.  The risk to the arm is only from a direct hit, to slice a cucumber the edge doesn&#039;t need to be sharp enough to cut flesh.  The point only needs to be sharp enough to stick in the wood.  

In the flaming knife trick, the knife that was caught was not thrown with the same velocity as the knives that went into the board.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the rotating wheel, the only serious danger is to the eyes and throat.  Those are at the outside edge of the wheel.  If one could get within a one foot diameter target, it would be easy to never hit a vital spot.  </p>
<p>If the target wore something protective under his clothing, the risk of serious harm becomes pretty small.  The risk to the arm is only from a direct hit, to slice a cucumber the edge doesn&#8217;t need to be sharp enough to cut flesh.  The point only needs to be sharp enough to stick in the wood.  </p>
<p>In the flaming knife trick, the knife that was caught was not thrown with the same velocity as the knives that went into the board.  </p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 21:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have seen the &quot;fake&quot; version of the knife act and I&#039;ve also read the texts on how it is done and handled some of the stage equipment for a knife throwing trick of the sort where the thrower does not really throw a knife at anyone.

I know someone who knows the The Danger Committee and how they work.

I know the person who is in charge of their insurance.  

I have seen their act twice up close.

They are really throwing real knives. The person I know who knows them knows this. The person in charge of their insurance knows this, and I saw it with my not untrained eyes. 

You absolutely can fake something like this, but you can&#039;t fake just any version of it. To do this the &quot;trick&quot; way would require a different stage setup, and a lot of other differences. They are not faking any of this.

Now, truthfully, some of the stuff they do is hard, some easier, and they may adjust their patter to exploit how it looks more than what it is. But actually, they only do that to a minor extent. The grabbing of the flaming knife is, in my opinion, easier to do yet more likely to hurt than it look. I will not explain why I think that in open space. 

Regarding the insurance: No, their insurance risk is nothing special.  This is a Ren fest. Across the way there is a guy who spends his day 20 feet up on a unicycle towering over children and drunk people. Down the road men on horses knock each other over with jousting poles.  Up near the entrance two guys sword fight with actual (not tipped, yet also not sharp, yet pointy) epees in the middle of the encircling crowd.  The fire breathers .... are eating fire and setting each other on fire, etc. 

(The time I&#039;ve spent with Renfest people off site (or in the back lot) .... which was not at this Renfest, and not with these knife throwers ... taught me that the most severely injured are the jousting. Of course, there was a trapeze act at that Ren fest and one of those guys did die during the act, but not while performing it at the Renfest.) 

And, all across the landscape are SCA and others getting steadily drunker and drunker all day.

The Renfest is a high risk insurance nightmare from one end to the other, which is why they have a guy who is in charge of just that (and one or two other issues). A few very skilled guys throwing knives are diddly squat compared to a drunk visitor in a knight suit running onto the stage during the fire eater&#039;s act and knocking something over. Or whatever.  

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen the &#8220;fake&#8221; version of the knife act and I&#8217;ve also read the texts on how it is done and handled some of the stage equipment for a knife throwing trick of the sort where the thrower does not really throw a knife at anyone.</p>
<p>I know someone who knows the The Danger Committee and how they work.</p>
<p>I know the person who is in charge of their insurance.  </p>
<p>I have seen their act twice up close.</p>
<p>They are really throwing real knives. The person I know who knows them knows this. The person in charge of their insurance knows this, and I saw it with my not untrained eyes. </p>
<p>You absolutely can fake something like this, but you can&#8217;t fake just any version of it. To do this the &#8220;trick&#8221; way would require a different stage setup, and a lot of other differences. They are not faking any of this.</p>
<p>Now, truthfully, some of the stuff they do is hard, some easier, and they may adjust their patter to exploit how it looks more than what it is. But actually, they only do that to a minor extent. The grabbing of the flaming knife is, in my opinion, easier to do yet more likely to hurt than it look. I will not explain why I think that in open space. </p>
<p>Regarding the insurance: No, their insurance risk is nothing special.  This is a Ren fest. Across the way there is a guy who spends his day 20 feet up on a unicycle towering over children and drunk people. Down the road men on horses knock each other over with jousting poles.  Up near the entrance two guys sword fight with actual (not tipped, yet also not sharp, yet pointy) epees in the middle of the encircling crowd.  The fire breathers &#8230;. are eating fire and setting each other on fire, etc. </p>
<p>(The time I&#8217;ve spent with Renfest people off site (or in the back lot) &#8230;. which was not at this Renfest, and not with these knife throwers &#8230; taught me that the most severely injured are the jousting. Of course, there was a trapeze act at that Ren fest and one of those guys did die during the act, but not while performing it at the Renfest.) </p>
<p>And, all across the landscape are SCA and others getting steadily drunker and drunker all day.</p>
<p>The Renfest is a high risk insurance nightmare from one end to the other, which is why they have a guy who is in charge of just that (and one or two other issues). A few very skilled guys throwing knives are diddly squat compared to a drunk visitor in a knight suit running onto the stage during the fire eater&#8217;s act and knocking something over. Or whatever.  </p>
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		By: DuWayne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DuWayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 21:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mad -

Then by all means show us how it is done.  Making shit like that look real is not easy, nor is the difficulty in building the props.  If you think it is then please, prove me wrong and do it - or even provide some evidence to how easy it is.

Here is a hint - you don&#039;t see many people fake that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mad &#8211;</p>
<p>Then by all means show us how it is done.  Making shit like that look real is not easy, nor is the difficulty in building the props.  If you think it is then please, prove me wrong and do it &#8211; or even provide some evidence to how easy it is.</p>
<p>Here is a hint &#8211; you don&#8217;t see many people fake that.</p>
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		By: MadScientist		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MadScientist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 20:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, I&#039;m not saying there are no knife throwers (after all throwing knives are useful for killing birds, rabbits, and other small animals), but some acts are easily faked (despite the objections to making it look real and the imaginary difficulty in designing the prop - seriously, magic books describe how to build the prop).  Actually throwing the knives does involve a significant risk, so faking it for a show is preferable. These particular performances look real - and notice how close the knife thrower is to the target.  That certainly helps.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m not saying there are no knife throwers (after all throwing knives are useful for killing birds, rabbits, and other small animals), but some acts are easily faked (despite the objections to making it look real and the imaginary difficulty in designing the prop &#8211; seriously, magic books describe how to build the prop).  Actually throwing the knives does involve a significant risk, so faking it for a show is preferable. These particular performances look real &#8211; and notice how close the knife thrower is to the target.  That certainly helps.</p>
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