Diseases like small pox, measles, mumps, polio, and so on are transmitted from one person to another via some process that varies from disease to disease. The “germ theory” is not a myth. And, Oswald shot Kennedy and there really was a Holocaust.

Vaccines are not perfect … some are quite close to 100% effective, but others (many others) are far from that. An individual may receive very little protection, the protection can “wear off” or a version of the disease may be out there that the vaccine does not affect as well as others. It is not as simple as “if you take a vaccine, and your family does, then you are safe, no matter what others do.” Vaccination addresses disease at a population and ecological level. By refusing vaccination, you endanger everyone else for indefensible, stupid reasons.

Many people who get very upset about vaccinations are young, stupid, or poorly educated in history. They do not know what it is like to live in a world where seasonal (or non seasonal) widespread death comes to a neighborhood. They do not know the experience of hearing, in a few days time, that one child, then another, then another, so maybe six or eight of the dozen in your neighborhood, all have rubella, and then wondering if any of them will die. It is a little like hearing that a van of your neighbor’s school kids, along with your own, was in a serious accident but you don’t have details yet. You wait to see if any will be reported dead.

You don’t know what that is like. I do. I don’t want your stupidity to make the world go to that place ever again.

And that’s a normal run of the mill year, every single year, not an epidemic year.

Vaccinations have changed the world so that this sort of thing simply does not happen any more. You are trying to bring that back.

There are a lot of people who are not smart enough to protect themselves, let along to participate in the societal level protection that is required. One can argue until the cows come home as to whether or not there is a legal or constitutional right to push vaccines on people. The simple fact is that those who refuse vaccines are risking all of us. And we will defend ourselves. If you think I’m going to send my children to a school with a large number of anti-vaxers during some neo-epidemic caused by those very anti-vaxers stupidly then you are quite mistaken. In the event of a dangerous epidemic, the law is very flexible in this way. Kids who are not vaccinated, as well as adults, will be forced to vaccinate if necessary or simply be quarantined. You and your children will be kept out of schools, public places, or jailed, as needed.

In the meantime, between epidemics, the screechy ignorant anti-vaxers merely look like idiots. Which is what they are.

By the way, I see the primary use of the second amendment in this country as not defending myself against some mythical government. I see it as my first line of defense in the case of the epidemic. Picking off the unvaccinated. Oh yes, I can have my fantasies too.

NOTE: I have typed below what I read above by Greg or someone. So I hope I get some answers. While we are waiting we can all research this. You can GOOGLE: Germ Theory of Disease and get some links to study. You can GOOGLE: Myth of Germ theory of disease and get some good articles PRO AND CON. Here’s a good one on fraud of germ theory: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/222567/why_do_we_get_sick_myth_of_the_germ.html?cat=5

YOU SAID or someone said:Greg, you airplane inspection analogy is not apt. Airplane crashes are (in general) independent from each other. Infections are never independent. Each infection results from someone catching the infection from someone who is infected.

Infections require both susceptible individuals and infected individuals.

You just take full advantage of your rights, just don’t infringe on mine while you do so.

I do make that argument. I’ve read the primary scientific literature on it and there isn’t any evidence that links any aspect of vaccination with autism. There is a vague,proposed but statistically non comforming co-increase in autism and the use of the mercury, then there is no decrease in autism when the mercury use goes down. They are unlinked.

Besides, with the exception of some (but not all) influenza vaccines, thimerosal (that’s the stuff with the mercury in it) is not used in most, perhaps any, childhood vaccines. The typical paranoid deluded antivaxer, yourself for example, avoids even vaccines without mercury because what you’re doing here is not really avoiding mercury. You are avoiding Big Pharm.

I can see why Big Pharm would make someone nervous, but the conclusions you have drawn are incorrect, inappropriate, and dangerous.

I read about mercury. Its not healthy for humans.

Mercury ingestion or inhalation can be quite bad. But it is no so simple. Mercury comes in different forms, and that determines if it is dangerous, and the amount matters. The mercury in vaccines is a very tiny amount and the form it comes in appears to not interact with human tissues.

One study measured the amount of mercury in the usual tissues (hair, blood, etc) infants and found that the amounts were very very small, and that the amount detected had no relationship to amounts introduced through vaccination. In other words, there is trace mercury there (in our enviornment, in our diets) and the vaccine-sourced mercury is undetectable as an addition to that, it is so small or even non existent. That study demonstrated that vaccine-sourced mercury ends up in the diaper.

I feel icky about mercury being in vaccines, but the truth is that there is somewhere between almost none and zero, and the science shows that it passes harmlessly through owing to the nature of the compound.

I don’t care what you decide or think, but we sane people will do everything in our collective power to force people like you into doing the right thing so today’s infants can grow up in a world without unnecessary epidemics.

Your attitude is not a matter of opinion, and your paranoid delusions are not a matter of harmless mental illness. What you are saying and doing is harmful to others. Do you also engage in other antisocial and dangerous practices, such as driving the wrong way on the highway or tossing empty beer bottles out of the third floor window on a busy street?

P.S.I also read about heavy power lines maybe being a factor in childrens leukemia back in the 80’s and chose not to buy a home that was in the area of heavy power lines, because the guys that said it didn’t hurt you {big electric} don’t live at my house and won’t be affected if its not true. You can’t take those things {cancer, autism, death from using pharmeceutical drugs properly} away, I get to make my own decision, not sure why you hate that, especially when your arguments ABOUT the subject are “cause they said so”.
FACT: The WHO said h1n1 was going to be a massive pandemic and put the fear of GOD into all of us that if we didn’t buy it {$bil}and get vaccinated we were all gonna die, then we found out {after the sale w no refund} about the scientist{s} getting paid to do an “impartial” study by the pharm. companies, then the pandemic, by coincidence, didn’t happen.
FACT: FDA passed the salmonella-chicken guys farm to safely sell eggs, they were bad {people actually died}, they said they cleaned him up… and it happened again a few weeks later…
FACT: 106,000 people a year die from side effects of drugs after they take them properly.
Why should I believe these people, and not make my own decision through what is true, and what I decide. I don’t bitch at you for making your decision, I don’t try to influence it, I don’t talk shit about it. Whose definition of democracy do you subscribe too