Comments on: Linux Fedora 13 Beta

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By: Virgil Samms

Virgil Samms — Fri, 16 Apr 2010 21:17:50 +0000

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By: Virgil Samms

Virgil Samms — Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:09:17 +0000

The actual breakthrough of 3d hardware technology (by NVIDIA) was thanks to GLQuake (GL stands for OpenGL).

Well excu-u-u-use me, but where did OpenGL come from? It is (hopefully obviously) a FOSS version of GL, which was used on Silicon Graphics workstations in the late 80s/early 90s. And what OS did SGI machines run? Irix, which was a version of Unix (System V with certain modifications).

By: Jean-Denis

Jean-Denis — Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:29:33 +0000

You’ve got your genealogy mixed up about the NeXT version of Red Hat. Since Steve reverse-bought Apple, the NeXT version of Red Hat is named Mac OS X.

;-)))

By: Greg Laden

Greg Laden — Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:13:01 +0000

Advent of 3d graphics had nothing whatsoever to do with the development of Linux.

This is correct. I certainly had not said otherwise.

And I’m sitting here with two computers in front of me. Both have 3D graphics cards. One runs Windows XP. The 3D graphics card in that box does not turn on unless I run certain software now and thenk, or override the system and play a game (i.e., using Directx). The other is a Linux box. It makes full use of the 3D graphcis cards (both of them) that are in that box, all the time.

By: Nuspirit

Nuspirit — Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:08:16 +0000

It took a bunch of smelly kids in their garages (the presumed maintainers and developers of Linux) to start using those 3D hardware bits to shame the big stupid-ass Microsoft into using the hardware.

The “smelly kids” you are referring to actually did everything by software (in MS-DOS, in fact) and continued to put early 3d hardware to shame up to to the middle of the 90s.

Advent of 3d graphics had nothing whatsoever to do with the development of Linux.

The actual breakthrough of 3d hardware technology (by NVIDIA) was thanks to GLQuake (GL stands for OpenGL).

Feature wise, OpenGL and DirectX (Microsoft’s proprietary 3d hardware interface) advanced hand in hand until about 2000-2001 (DX8 and OpenGL 1.3), after which DirectX pulled ahead and OpenGL has lagged behind every since.

Just to correct a few factual errors in the quoted portion.

By: Greg Laden

Greg Laden — Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:39:56 +0000

Actually, there is and has for some time been full support via a FOSS driver. I think this must be referring to a yet more advanced experimental thing, which is what one would expect with Fedora. Red Hat 13 at this moment has a fully functional opensource driver for NDIDIA 3D.

What IS pathetic is that most of the important computing shit that happens (because, after all, it is all on the web or via email) happens on Unix/Linux boxes, yet hardware manufacturers don’t routinely produce *nix drivers. THAT is pathetic beyond belief.

What is also pathetic is that most desktop computers run an operating system that for most of those decades you refer to never used the 3D technology at all. It took a bunch of smelly kids in their garages (the presumed maintainers and developers of Linux) to start using those 3D hardware bits to shame the big stupid-ass Microsoft into using the hardware. (Which I assume they do now, though actually I’m not sure.)

By: Nuspirit

Nuspirit — Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:08:13 +0000

3D graphics hardware having been around for nearly two decades and even in the mainstream for decade now, and there's experimental support for it (well, for NVIDIA which is basically the Intel of 3d technology)?

By: Linux in Exile

Linux in Exile — Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:54:03 +0000

@Nuspirit: Not sure what you mean is "pathetic". Perhaps you are making some kind of comment about developing for the NVIDIA, which doesn't provide any programming specs of any kind unless you sign an NDA (in which case, you can't write F/OSS with it.) Indeed, it is pathetic that NVIDIA refuses to open their specs so people can write software for them. In any case, it's not like Nouveau is your only option if you have an NVIDIA card and want to run Linux. You can just get them from NVIDIA, for example. Works fine, so I hear from people who have that card. But if you prefer to run a completely F/OSS system, Nouveau is something to look at.

By: Greg Laden

Greg Laden — Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:31:52 +0000

Please explain why that is pathetic?