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		By: James Douglas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Douglas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2011 21:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I use the Dell Streak 5 as a tablet and cell phone combo.  I love it! Had an iPhone before and it doesnt even compare.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use the Dell Streak 5 as a tablet and cell phone combo.  I love it! Had an iPhone before and it doesnt even compare.</p>
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		By: Gray Gaffer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gray Gaffer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg, the Kindle Reader for iPhone and iPad is free.

Going back a little bit, it is clear to me now that no computer platform does everything for everyone. I mentioned before I have pretty much one of everything on my desk, and I do use all of them for what they are good at. The iPad is good at being on the couch with me when I&#039;m watching TV, for example. I have laptops I used for that but the iPad just beats them in how transparently it sits there.

So I opine that anybody who requires a single system to do everything they want with ease, elegance, and under all circumstances, is a) cheap and b) never going to be satisfied. And that that has always been true. The closest entity to a universal computer today is the iMac, which will do everything except some games, and does it very elegantly. I choose the iMac for the example because, like the iPad, it occupies only the essential space - that of the screen - and all the works are hidden inside, unlike towers or conventional laptops.

As to the 99% - my observations since the PC arrived is that the 80% solution is what actually gets pervasive and makes a few people insanely rich. And also Ted Sturgeon&#039;s Law - 90% of everything is crap - applies strongly in this field. We just have to live with it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, the Kindle Reader for iPhone and iPad is free.</p>
<p>Going back a little bit, it is clear to me now that no computer platform does everything for everyone. I mentioned before I have pretty much one of everything on my desk, and I do use all of them for what they are good at. The iPad is good at being on the couch with me when I&#8217;m watching TV, for example. I have laptops I used for that but the iPad just beats them in how transparently it sits there.</p>
<p>So I opine that anybody who requires a single system to do everything they want with ease, elegance, and under all circumstances, is a) cheap and b) never going to be satisfied. And that that has always been true. The closest entity to a universal computer today is the iMac, which will do everything except some games, and does it very elegantly. I choose the iMac for the example because, like the iPad, it occupies only the essential space &#8211; that of the screen &#8211; and all the works are hidden inside, unlike towers or conventional laptops.</p>
<p>As to the 99% &#8211; my observations since the PC arrived is that the 80% solution is what actually gets pervasive and makes a few people insanely rich. And also Ted Sturgeon&#8217;s Law &#8211; 90% of everything is crap &#8211; applies strongly in this field. We just have to live with it.</p>
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		By: Jesse		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jesse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 08:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OK, that helps. Greg, your bit about the difference between kindles and iPads makes sense to me, but it seems that&#039;s a problem that is endemic to ANY e-book format. That is, given the way that a technology company makes money, damned right I would want a proprietary format if I were the CEO. 

It&#039;s why they often start out that way until one becomes a standard, usually for reasons utterly unrelated to actual technology (see: Betamax and VHS. I worked on TV production and there is a reason Beta was the preferred format for TV people. But VHS for all kinds of reasons unrelated to the superiority/inferiority of the tech became the one everyone had at home. 8-tracks had a similar issue - they actually reproduce sound better -- but cassettes were more convenient). 

I&#039;m not endorsing this. I&#039;m just saying that oftentimes the problem you describe is basic to any new media technology. I suspect that sooner rather than later one eBook will pick up enough market share that the other format is crowded out. 

@Paladin: i don&#039;t find it horrible that Apple can say what app goes on my iPone (if I owned one) for the same reason I don&#039;t find it horrible that certain programs (usually games, but whatevs) don&#039;t have mac compatibility. Maybe it&#039;s &#039;cuz I grew up with computers in the 80s when compatibility issues were actually more problematic -- Apple had a bigger market share then and there were four or five companies making PCs and you could easily choose one that would be out of business later. (I had a Commodore. It&#039;s a nice paperweight now). I can&#039;t play SIMs on the mac. Oh well, I&#039;ll live. 

So to me, when you say &quot;I want to be treated like a responsible adult&quot; it&#039;s like, &quot;So what?&quot; Now, you are approaching maybe from the perspective of one who likes to play with the functionality of a machine. I don&#039;t. And I suspect most people don&#039;t, which explains why there has been a certain amount of innovation in the app store (as per NYT piece). Those apps just aren&#039;t designed for techies. And for people like me, well, it&#039;s almost a non-issue. I need something that &lt;i&gt;works&lt;/i&gt;, first and foremost, and if I had an iPhone I&#039;d sure as hell want a guarantee that whatever I was using wasn&#039;t going to have some weird effect when I am trying to dial the local pizza guy or trying to make an important &lt;i&gt;phone&lt;/i&gt; call, which is what stupid lugs like me use a phone for :-) 

One thing that keeps me using the Mac is that it &lt;i&gt;works&lt;/i&gt;. And sometimes, having something reliable for 99% of the situations you will ever run into is better than the latest and greatest tech. 

I think it&#039;s often hard for people who understand OS technology well to imagine what it is like for the rest of us. I know cars pretty well, for instance, and I sometimes have to take a step back and understand that replacing brake shoes, changing spark plugs or anything like that for my brother in law is a complete mystery. He just needs his car to work, and hasn&#039;t the time or inclination to understand the inner workings. So he&#039;s okay with the fact that Ford or Toyota only allows parts built to certain specs -- it&#039;s basically invisible to him, as the restrictions on apps are to me. 

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, that helps. Greg, your bit about the difference between kindles and iPads makes sense to me, but it seems that&#8217;s a problem that is endemic to ANY e-book format. That is, given the way that a technology company makes money, damned right I would want a proprietary format if I were the CEO. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s why they often start out that way until one becomes a standard, usually for reasons utterly unrelated to actual technology (see: Betamax and VHS. I worked on TV production and there is a reason Beta was the preferred format for TV people. But VHS for all kinds of reasons unrelated to the superiority/inferiority of the tech became the one everyone had at home. 8-tracks had a similar issue &#8211; they actually reproduce sound better &#8212; but cassettes were more convenient). </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not endorsing this. I&#8217;m just saying that oftentimes the problem you describe is basic to any new media technology. I suspect that sooner rather than later one eBook will pick up enough market share that the other format is crowded out. </p>
<p>@Paladin: i don&#8217;t find it horrible that Apple can say what app goes on my iPone (if I owned one) for the same reason I don&#8217;t find it horrible that certain programs (usually games, but whatevs) don&#8217;t have mac compatibility. Maybe it&#8217;s &#8216;cuz I grew up with computers in the 80s when compatibility issues were actually more problematic &#8212; Apple had a bigger market share then and there were four or five companies making PCs and you could easily choose one that would be out of business later. (I had a Commodore. It&#8217;s a nice paperweight now). I can&#8217;t play SIMs on the mac. Oh well, I&#8217;ll live. </p>
<p>So to me, when you say &#8220;I want to be treated like a responsible adult&#8221; it&#8217;s like, &#8220;So what?&#8221; Now, you are approaching maybe from the perspective of one who likes to play with the functionality of a machine. I don&#8217;t. And I suspect most people don&#8217;t, which explains why there has been a certain amount of innovation in the app store (as per NYT piece). Those apps just aren&#8217;t designed for techies. And for people like me, well, it&#8217;s almost a non-issue. I need something that <i>works</i>, first and foremost, and if I had an iPhone I&#8217;d sure as hell want a guarantee that whatever I was using wasn&#8217;t going to have some weird effect when I am trying to dial the local pizza guy or trying to make an important <i>phone</i> call, which is what stupid lugs like me use a phone for 🙂 </p>
<p>One thing that keeps me using the Mac is that it <i>works</i>. And sometimes, having something reliable for 99% of the situations you will ever run into is better than the latest and greatest tech. </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s often hard for people who understand OS technology well to imagine what it is like for the rest of us. I know cars pretty well, for instance, and I sometimes have to take a step back and understand that replacing brake shoes, changing spark plugs or anything like that for my brother in law is a complete mystery. He just needs his car to work, and hasn&#8217;t the time or inclination to understand the inner workings. So he&#8217;s okay with the fact that Ford or Toyota only allows parts built to certain specs &#8212; it&#8217;s basically invisible to him, as the restrictions on apps are to me. </p>
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		By: Argo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 17:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d take and use an iPad gladly if given one but I wouldn&#039;t buy one for another generation or two. For me the iPad would be an appliance, not a computing platform. In that respect it works pretty well -- The single most important application for me would be an ePub and PDF reader. I frequently use a lot of PDF-based manuals &amp; books and they simply don&#039;t look good on smaller, less detailed screens (like the Kindle or Nook). Basically, I&#039;m waiting for a cheaper reader with a good screen and wifi.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d take and use an iPad gladly if given one but I wouldn&#8217;t buy one for another generation or two. For me the iPad would be an appliance, not a computing platform. In that respect it works pretty well &#8212; The single most important application for me would be an ePub and PDF reader. I frequently use a lot of PDF-based manuals &#038; books and they simply don&#8217;t look good on smaller, less detailed screens (like the Kindle or Nook). Basically, I&#8217;m waiting for a cheaper reader with a good screen and wifi.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 02:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It should be added that it is apparently very easy to develop an app for the iPhone, given the templates and other tools that are available. 

Which is a positive thing to say about the iPhone, but also somewhat  deflates the significance of the huge number of apps.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be added that it is apparently very easy to develop an app for the iPhone, given the templates and other tools that are available. </p>
<p>Which is a positive thing to say about the iPhone, but also somewhat  deflates the significance of the huge number of apps.  </p>
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		By: MPL		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 02:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: NYT article.

I&#039;m not sure how impressed I am about the iPhone store encouraging reams of innovative apps so quickly.  It was the first pocket-sized all-touchscreen computer that got a significant market share.  It was practically guaranteed that it would produce a torrent of innovative small applications.  The app store helped, but only because it makes it easy to do low-hassle impulse buys.  Closed gardens often start off nice: IBM and AOL were both big successes once.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: NYT article.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how impressed I am about the iPhone store encouraging reams of innovative apps so quickly.  It was the first pocket-sized all-touchscreen computer that got a significant market share.  It was practically guaranteed that it would produce a torrent of innovative small applications.  The app store helped, but only because it makes it easy to do low-hassle impulse buys.  Closed gardens often start off nice: IBM and AOL were both big successes once.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 01:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The NYT article is interesting, but doesn&#039;t answer a very basic question:  There  is almost nothing that I want to do, that I KNOW  can be done, on the iPod Touch that I CAN  do.  The apps are not there. Yes, there  are a lot of apps, and there are apps that do things I had not thought of,  but  my requirements have not been  addressed.  Some of that is because my requirements are basic, and very close to the rudimentary (and inadequate) areas that Apple choses to not allow development in.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NYT article is interesting, but doesn&#8217;t answer a very basic question:  There  is almost nothing that I want to do, that I KNOW  can be done, on the iPod Touch that I CAN  do.  The apps are not there. Yes, there  are a lot of apps, and there are apps that do things I had not thought of,  but  my requirements have not been  addressed.  Some of that is because my requirements are basic, and very close to the rudimentary (and inadequate) areas that Apple choses to not allow development in.  </p>
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		By: Bill James		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 00:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;But still, that didn&#039;t answer my question about Apple: why informed people with a healthy attitude about freedom manage to love the iPhones and iPads?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Shiny baubles mate. People are rather like crows in that regard.

Even the walking example of practicality in motion that is me is drawn to them. Alas, not enough to throw down hard earned coin of the realm. In my case, the particular bauble being the sex without orgasm iPod Touch that diddles the clit of possibilities held in potential and perhaps, just maybe, by chance the next revision, or the one after that. Then again I&#039;m forced to realize this self serving consumerist is not the suitable tool with which to leverage maximal profitability in the erection of fully integrated ecosystems. I am not within the target demographic that places style and form over substance and function. A demographic that appreciates the insulation and isolation of walled gardens from the complexities of a world beyond and accepts the limits in trade. I am an outsider in search of a personal ideal more enamored with what an iPod Touch could be, than what it actually is. Speaking only for myself, the greater value is in the utility not the shine.  
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>But still, that didn&#8217;t answer my question about Apple: why informed people with a healthy attitude about freedom manage to love the iPhones and iPads?</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Shiny baubles mate. People are rather like crows in that regard.</p>
<p>Even the walking example of practicality in motion that is me is drawn to them. Alas, not enough to throw down hard earned coin of the realm. In my case, the particular bauble being the sex without orgasm iPod Touch that diddles the clit of possibilities held in potential and perhaps, just maybe, by chance the next revision, or the one after that. Then again I&#8217;m forced to realize this self serving consumerist is not the suitable tool with which to leverage maximal profitability in the erection of fully integrated ecosystems. I am not within the target demographic that places style and form over substance and function. A demographic that appreciates the insulation and isolation of walled gardens from the complexities of a world beyond and accepts the limits in trade. I am an outsider in search of a personal ideal more enamored with what an iPod Touch could be, than what it actually is. Speaking only for myself, the greater value is in the utility not the shine.  </p>
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		By: Stephanie Z		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephanie Z]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 22:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d been thinking about how to articulate this this morning. Turns out I don&#039;t have to: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/11/technology/internet/11every.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d been thinking about how to articulate this this morning. Turns out I don&#8217;t have to: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/11/technology/internet/11every.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/11/technology/internet/11every.html</a></p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Paladin:  I agree with this.  You will not find me replacing my open source computer with an apple product of any kind.  That does not mean I don&#039;t want a Mac desktop computer  sitting there next to my Linux workstation for when I need to do something it is really really good at.  

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paladin:  I agree with this.  You will not find me replacing my open source computer with an apple product of any kind.  That does not mean I don&#8217;t want a Mac desktop computer  sitting there next to my Linux workstation for when I need to do something it is really really good at.  </p>
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