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	Comments on: Animal Rights and Human Needs: Foundations of the debate (Part III)	</title>
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		By: Brian Schmidt		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/03/26/animal-rights-and-human-needs-2/#comment-516395</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree with most of Part III here, so I&#039;ll use bandwidth to argue semantics:  Greg should be talking about sapience, not sentience.  Sentience is pretty well established to involve sensation, while sapience concerns intelligence.

I know common language doesn&#039;t make the distinction, but it&#039;s an important and useful distinction.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most of Part III here, so I&#8217;ll use bandwidth to argue semantics:  Greg should be talking about sapience, not sentience.  Sentience is pretty well established to involve sensation, while sapience concerns intelligence.</p>
<p>I know common language doesn&#8217;t make the distinction, but it&#8217;s an important and useful distinction.</p>
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		By: Roman		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/03/26/animal-rights-and-human-needs-2/#comment-516394</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 05:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@rijkswaanvijand 

Your argument is like saying &quot;why should I help my neighbour if I&#039;m not helping every suffering person in Africa?&quot;. It&#039;s about your the value of your ER (Empathy Radius) -- how different a creature can be for us to feel empathy with it. In the future, I hope we will be able to avoid hurting even mice and rats. Now, we can stop hurting Great Apes. There&#039;s no point in following the old fallacy &quot;if you can&#039;t do 100%, there&#039;s no point doing anything&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@rijkswaanvijand </p>
<p>Your argument is like saying &#8220;why should I help my neighbour if I&#8217;m not helping every suffering person in Africa?&#8221;. It&#8217;s about your the value of your ER (Empathy Radius) &#8212; how different a creature can be for us to feel empathy with it. In the future, I hope we will be able to avoid hurting even mice and rats. Now, we can stop hurting Great Apes. There&#8217;s no point in following the old fallacy &#8220;if you can&#8217;t do 100%, there&#8217;s no point doing anything&#8221;.</p>
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		By: rijkswaanvijand		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/03/26/animal-rights-and-human-needs-2/#comment-516393</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 08:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh I&#039;ll pitty it, but only if it suffers exactly the way I do?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I&#8217;ll pitty it, but only if it suffers exactly the way I do?</p>
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		By: rijkswaanvijand		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/03/26/animal-rights-and-human-needs-2/#comment-516392</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 08:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[4) There is a reasonable argument for a phylogenetic approach to assigning &quot;rights&quot; to non-human animals.

What argument is that? If you mean more respect for multicellular organisms I&#039;m with that..
However, should I respect any given life form more than another one simply on the basis of it&#039;s executive functions?
I don&#039;t think so, I can respect a tree or a piece of shrub eventhough it has very little consciousness as compared to that generated by an animal or human brain. The brain doesn&#039;t matter here, let us consider the reason these brains came into existence; survival Ã¡nd procreation. My point here is that a central consciousness of suffering is not a necessity for suffering, but more of an alarm system that signals distress on a more or less rational level. Suffering is inherent for all living things, for we all have a single purpose; to live and create life in our own image:P
We&#039;re all survivors! This doesn&#039;t mean we should let the viral loads have their way with us or open up our kitchen to any fungal or bacterial population looking for a place to stay; this would go against our interest as a living being, an interest which is a focus of implicit or explicit attention for any healthy survivor.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4) There is a reasonable argument for a phylogenetic approach to assigning &#8220;rights&#8221; to non-human animals.</p>
<p>What argument is that? If you mean more respect for multicellular organisms I&#8217;m with that..<br />
However, should I respect any given life form more than another one simply on the basis of it&#8217;s executive functions?<br />
I don&#8217;t think so, I can respect a tree or a piece of shrub eventhough it has very little consciousness as compared to that generated by an animal or human brain. The brain doesn&#8217;t matter here, let us consider the reason these brains came into existence; survival Ã¡nd procreation. My point here is that a central consciousness of suffering is not a necessity for suffering, but more of an alarm system that signals distress on a more or less rational level. Suffering is inherent for all living things, for we all have a single purpose; to live and create life in our own image:P<br />
We&#8217;re all survivors! This doesn&#8217;t mean we should let the viral loads have their way with us or open up our kitchen to any fungal or bacterial population looking for a place to stay; this would go against our interest as a living being, an interest which is a focus of implicit or explicit attention for any healthy survivor.</p>
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		By: Roman		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/03/26/animal-rights-and-human-needs-2/#comment-516391</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 06:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think that using Great Apes in research is equivalent to using humans. I agree this research should only be done in circumstances we&#039;d be comfortable with using humans in it.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that using Great Apes in research is equivalent to using humans. I agree this research should only be done in circumstances we&#8217;d be comfortable with using humans in it.</p>
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