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		By: marilove		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Regarding your other comment, clamboy, I completely agree, and I wish EVERYONE saw things the way you do, but alas, they do not.  :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding your other comment, clamboy, I completely agree, and I wish EVERYONE saw things the way you do, but alas, they do not.  🙂</p>
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		By: marilove		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/03/21/huh-james-randi-just-came-out/#comment-516284</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[marilove]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You do then hold a certain sort of privilege -- most people aren&#039;t lucky enough to live in a place like yours.  It&#039;s awesome that you do, but try not to forget that you&#039;re incredibly lucky!

&lt;blockquote&gt;You make it clear to me, however, how much of a privilege that can be in this world, and help me to understand how important Randi&#039;s action is. My reaction to his sexuality remains the same, but my appreciation for his coming out is much more enhanced, so thanks.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But I think you get that. :)  And I think this is another good example of why itâ??s so important for people to come out.

Of course, one should only come out if they want to.  I do not think anyone should ever be forced to come out -- unless, of course, they are a Republican right-wing who touts &quot;family values&quot; and then boinks gay hookers on the side. ;)  But, I do think it&#039;s very important and awesome when people do decide to come out -- and I don&#039;t just mean celebrities.  It&#039;s just as important for every day folk to come out.

I really, really admire Harvey Milk, and that was basically his message:  Come out, show yourself, and don&#039;t be ashamed; let people know you exist!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do then hold a certain sort of privilege &#8212; most people aren&#8217;t lucky enough to live in a place like yours.  It&#8217;s awesome that you do, but try not to forget that you&#8217;re incredibly lucky!</p>
<blockquote><p>You make it clear to me, however, how much of a privilege that can be in this world, and help me to understand how important Randi&#8217;s action is. My reaction to his sexuality remains the same, but my appreciation for his coming out is much more enhanced, so thanks.</p></blockquote>
<p>But I think you get that. 🙂  And I think this is another good example of why itâ??s so important for people to come out.</p>
<p>Of course, one should only come out if they want to.  I do not think anyone should ever be forced to come out &#8212; unless, of course, they are a Republican right-wing who touts &#8220;family values&#8221; and then boinks gay hookers on the side. 😉  But, I do think it&#8217;s very important and awesome when people do decide to come out &#8212; and I don&#8217;t just mean celebrities.  It&#8217;s just as important for every day folk to come out.</p>
<p>I really, really admire Harvey Milk, and that was basically his message:  Come out, show yourself, and don&#8217;t be ashamed; let people know you exist!</p>
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		By: clamboy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, one more thing, marilove - I meant to make the point that, in the realm of the skeptical movement in which I spend my time, it&#039;s one&#039;s approach to issues that is important, not one&#039;s sexuality or other features of that nature. Hence my comment about my strong reaction to Randi endorsing The Petition Project; to me, that was like Harriet Hall endorsing magic bracelets, something that actually made a difference in how I viewed Randi. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, one more thing, marilove &#8211; I meant to make the point that, in the realm of the skeptical movement in which I spend my time, it&#8217;s one&#8217;s approach to issues that is important, not one&#8217;s sexuality or other features of that nature. Hence my comment about my strong reaction to Randi endorsing The Petition Project; to me, that was like Harriet Hall endorsing magic bracelets, something that actually made a difference in how I viewed Randi. </p>
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		By: clamboy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[clamboy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[marilove - after I made my comment above, I went and listened to the Randi/Grothe discussion. Your point is well taken, though I would add that your assumption of heterosexual privilege might be painting with a rather broad brush. I have lived for many years in a community, geographical and social, in which a person&#039;s sexual orientation has almost always been a matter of how I expressed myself above. You make it clear to me, however, how much of a privilege that can be in this world, and help me to understand how important Randi&#039;s action is. My reaction to his sexuality remains the same, but my appreciation for his coming out is much more enhanced, so thanks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>marilove &#8211; after I made my comment above, I went and listened to the Randi/Grothe discussion. Your point is well taken, though I would add that your assumption of heterosexual privilege might be painting with a rather broad brush. I have lived for many years in a community, geographical and social, in which a person&#8217;s sexual orientation has almost always been a matter of how I expressed myself above. You make it clear to me, however, how much of a privilege that can be in this world, and help me to understand how important Randi&#8217;s action is. My reaction to his sexuality remains the same, but my appreciation for his coming out is much more enhanced, so thanks.</p>
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		By: marilove		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[marilove]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, I don&#039;t know about that, Greg.  In this day and age, I&#039;m sure even the most conservative person knows at least one person -- perhaps even a family member -- who has come out.

I grew up in the middle of nowhere Arizona, which is pretty conservative.  Even I have a few friends I went to school with that eventually came out, including one that came out as male-to-female trans.

And I know that Randi isn&#039;t a Hollywood star, but he is very, very well known and respected in the Skeptical movement, and in my opinion, the Skeptical movement really needs to take on gay issues more, though that does seem to be happening more often these days.  Thatâ??s why itâ??s so great that someone so highly respected has come out.

Now, perhaps, more LGBT Skeptics will feel like they aren&#039;t the only ones.  I know it seems very &quot;duh, why wouldn&#039;t the Skeptical movement accept LGBT folk?!&quot; but just because the Skeptical movement seems to be progressive, it doesn&#039;t mean that it&#039;s a given that LGBT folk will be accepted, or that they feel they will be accepted.  Like I said, it helps to know there are fellow LGBT folk in the Skeptical movement.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I don&#8217;t know about that, Greg.  In this day and age, I&#8217;m sure even the most conservative person knows at least one person &#8212; perhaps even a family member &#8212; who has come out.</p>
<p>I grew up in the middle of nowhere Arizona, which is pretty conservative.  Even I have a few friends I went to school with that eventually came out, including one that came out as male-to-female trans.</p>
<p>And I know that Randi isn&#8217;t a Hollywood star, but he is very, very well known and respected in the Skeptical movement, and in my opinion, the Skeptical movement really needs to take on gay issues more, though that does seem to be happening more often these days.  Thatâ??s why itâ??s so great that someone so highly respected has come out.</p>
<p>Now, perhaps, more LGBT Skeptics will feel like they aren&#8217;t the only ones.  I know it seems very &#8220;duh, why wouldn&#8217;t the Skeptical movement accept LGBT folk?!&#8221; but just because the Skeptical movement seems to be progressive, it doesn&#8217;t mean that it&#8217;s a given that LGBT folk will be accepted, or that they feel they will be accepted.  Like I said, it helps to know there are fellow LGBT folk in the Skeptical movement.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A factor that makes it all strange is that for regular people you know, there is not usually an announcement of what their gender orientation is.  It&#039;s not like you read the newspaper in the AM and discover that your friend from High School that you still keep in touch with and is a regular person is suddenly of a particular sexual orientation.  On top of that, Randi is not exactly a Hollywood star. Well, sort of.  

Now I&#039;m going to have my first cup of coffee of the day and think about what that all means. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A factor that makes it all strange is that for regular people you know, there is not usually an announcement of what their gender orientation is.  It&#8217;s not like you read the newspaper in the AM and discover that your friend from High School that you still keep in touch with and is a regular person is suddenly of a particular sexual orientation.  On top of that, Randi is not exactly a Hollywood star. Well, sort of.  </p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m going to have my first cup of coffee of the day and think about what that all means. </p>
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		By: marilove		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Also, I was mostly replying to clamboy and a few others who seemed to take your &quot;Huh&quot; the wrong way.  From what you&#039;ve said in the past, Greg, you seem to get it.  But I get the feeling many straight people don&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I was mostly replying to clamboy and a few others who seemed to take your &#8220;Huh&#8221; the wrong way.  From what you&#8217;ve said in the past, Greg, you seem to get it.  But I get the feeling many straight people don&#8217;t.</p>
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		By: marilove		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[marilove]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good to know, Greg, and thanks!  Others however, and not just on this forum, don&#039;t really seem to get the importance, because of their straight privilage, so I felt the need to point it out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to know, Greg, and thanks!  Others however, and not just on this forum, don&#8217;t really seem to get the importance, because of their straight privilage, so I felt the need to point it out.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Marilove, this: &lt;em&gt;One day it will be nice when sexuality doesnâ??t matter â?? when it is normal to be gay, straight, bi, or whatever it is you want to identify as. &lt;/em&gt;  is the hopeful, motiving factor for my &quot;huh,&quot; not privilage. And that was quite intentional and model-building on my part.  I actually had a moderately non-&quot;huh&quot; reaction initially.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marilove, this: <em>One day it will be nice when sexuality doesnâ??t matter â?? when it is normal to be gay, straight, bi, or whatever it is you want to identify as. </em>  is the hopeful, motiving factor for my &#8220;huh,&#8221; not privilage. And that was quite intentional and model-building on my part.  I actually had a moderately non-&#8220;huh&#8221; reaction initially.  </p>
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		By: marilove		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[marilove]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think the only people who are going &quot;Huh.&quot; are the ones this doesn&#039;t affect.  Namely, most straight people.  Why?  Because to you, sexuality isn&#039;t a big deal.  You have the &lt;i&gt;privilege&lt;/I&gt; of not caring, because your sexuality is not a big deal.  But being gay is *still* a big deal, even if things are getting better.

I think it&#039;s quite fitting, and very telling, that James Randi was inspired to come out after he saw &lt;i&gt;Milk&lt;/i&gt;.  This leads me to believe he didn&#039;t necessarily come out primarily because of personal reasons.

If you&#039;re not familiar with Harvey Milk, I highly suggest you watch the movie, and the documentary the movie inspired.  Milk very much encouraged people to come out.

Why?  Because the more people realize that gay people exist, the better.  And, the more gay people realize they aren&#039;t alone, the better.

I get the feeling that James Randi saw how important it was, especially in this day and age where things are changing and changing fast, to come out, especially as a highly respected Skeptic.

So, it may not be a big deal to you, because you are straight, and straight is normal and accepted.  You don&#039;t have to worry about being &quot;different&quot;.

One day it will be nice when sexuality doesnâ??t matter â?? when it is normal to be gay, straight, bi, or whatever it is you want to identify as.  I think we all want sexuality to be no big thang.  We wish people just didnâ??t care.

But thatâ??s not reality.  Even though things have changed, being gay is still a big deal.  Itâ??s still thought of as different.

Thatâ??s why itâ??s important for people to come out.

We didnâ??t get where we are today in the gay rights movement by keeping silent.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the only people who are going &#8220;Huh.&#8221; are the ones this doesn&#8217;t affect.  Namely, most straight people.  Why?  Because to you, sexuality isn&#8217;t a big deal.  You have the <i>privilege</i> of not caring, because your sexuality is not a big deal.  But being gay is *still* a big deal, even if things are getting better.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s quite fitting, and very telling, that James Randi was inspired to come out after he saw <i>Milk</i>.  This leads me to believe he didn&#8217;t necessarily come out primarily because of personal reasons.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re not familiar with Harvey Milk, I highly suggest you watch the movie, and the documentary the movie inspired.  Milk very much encouraged people to come out.</p>
<p>Why?  Because the more people realize that gay people exist, the better.  And, the more gay people realize they aren&#8217;t alone, the better.</p>
<p>I get the feeling that James Randi saw how important it was, especially in this day and age where things are changing and changing fast, to come out, especially as a highly respected Skeptic.</p>
<p>So, it may not be a big deal to you, because you are straight, and straight is normal and accepted.  You don&#8217;t have to worry about being &#8220;different&#8221;.</p>
<p>One day it will be nice when sexuality doesnâ??t matter â?? when it is normal to be gay, straight, bi, or whatever it is you want to identify as.  I think we all want sexuality to be no big thang.  We wish people just didnâ??t care.</p>
<p>But thatâ??s not reality.  Even though things have changed, being gay is still a big deal.  Itâ??s still thought of as different.</p>
<p>Thatâ??s why itâ??s important for people to come out.</p>
<p>We didnâ??t get where we are today in the gay rights movement by keeping silent.</p>
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