Comments on: Google: “We borked the Buzz”

By: travc

travc — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:53:53 +0000

Spiv, you are certainly right about “the world we live in”. I’m doing job applications at the moment and really do get it.

I’m just thinking, in the longer term, society will adjust to the new realities created by social media and surveillance tech. Transition periods always create some suckage.

By: Spiv

Spiv — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:12:01 +0000

travc: that may be true, but unfortunately it is the world we live in. My personal life in no way affects my capabilities in my professional life, but the unrealistic perceptions of others certainly could. People, real people, are full of biases and bigotry of all shapes. The less they know about me, the less likely I am to accidentally stumble across such things.

Additionally people are incredibly bad at drawing conclusions from very little data. Face validity rules the world, not empirical validity. No matter how much we want it to be the other way.

By: travc

travc — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:14:27 +0000

Google screwed up. The opt-in should have been much much more explicit and well documented with disclaimers. There should also be an option of buzz w/o any snarfing of info from your profile or gmail account. Hopefully lesson learned.

On the other hand, in all but a very few cases (political dissidents and such), the connections revealed by buzz are fine. We have a serious case of unrealistic expectations about others, which this sort of snafu (or the ’embarrassing photos on Facebook seen by boss’ phenomenon) does a little bit to tear down in the grand scheme of things. Yeah, it sucks a little now, but people really need to get a grip and have a more realistic sense or what is normal and appropriate.

In most cases, It isn’t so much about loss of privacy as it is about people routinely trying to create and maintain false faces. Worse still, that basically dishonest behavior is actually expected and too many people actually think those false views others are the real people.

By: Spiv

Spiv — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 12:35:02 +0000

Indeed, both my gmail accounts got “buzzed.” I don’t think any unfortunate results, but it does bother me. Both have been disabled. I don’t allow ‘facebook’ to interface with my gmail information to search for friends, quite on purpose, and I’d like to continue to make that choice whatever the social networking system.

Likewise I don’t allow family members who aren’t siblings on such accounts. Or co-workers, even if they are friends. Generational gaps cause misunderstandings and tensions that are not necessary. I’m very careful about what information I put online anyway, but even comments said in humor can be misconstrued.

I agree with the sentiments of many above: google did a bad thing. They probably had great intentions and wanted to get everyone on with their cool new toy, but they should have maybe had a couple more sounding-board sessions to figure out all the implications before pulling the trigger. Hopefully this is a lesson learned.

By: Tim D.

Tim D. — Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:13:05 +0000

Erin, just make sure you don’t trust those people you trust….

By: itzac

itzac — Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:11:03 +0000

This was definitely more a case of google engineers saying, “Look what we can do!” Then implementing it without fully considering the implications.

I’m still not sure I like it, though.

By: Erin

Erin — Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:46:53 +0000

This is exactly why I don’t typically chat about private matters online except within extremely secure confines with people I trust, and even then I’m not talking about anything I’d be upset about if it got out.

By: katydid13

katydid13 — Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:47:52 +0000

So far I seem to have avoided being buzzed. I was asked if I wanted to be when I logged in. I don’t want my gmail account social networked. That’s the listserv account.

By: chanson

chanson — Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:36:23 +0000

I have two gmail accounts, and they were both automatically “buzzed”. Fortunately, neither one had a case of “I don’t want person X to know I know person Y”. I don’t mind the idea of a facebook-like service being linked to email, but I’m not planning to actively touch it until they get the privacy issues worked out.

By: Ray Ingles

Ray Ingles — Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:21:36 +0000

Thankfully, it looks like since I didn’t have a Google profile nothing was leaked (this time).

I’ve always been careful how I present myself online (and I was on Usenet back in the early 90’s). I’m on Facebook because a lot of friends and family are on there, but I don’t post anything that I wouldn’t mind seeing on the front page of the New York Times.

I’m not particularly nefarious or anything, but I don’t want my emails (or even the info about who I’m emailing) to be scattered around…