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		By: Stephanie Z		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/02/07/uk-anti-semitism-at-record-hig/#comment-513851</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephanie Z]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Peter, which premises have I failed to justify to your standards?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, which premises have I failed to justify to your standards?</p>
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		By: David		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/02/07/uk-anti-semitism-at-record-hig/#comment-513850</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;this particular headline is irresponsible specifically in its suggestion of something alarming going on. &lt;/em&gt;

Why do you not think this is alarming?  Of course it is alarming.  On what do you base your standards?  I will take a wild uninformed guess that you are not a Jew. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>this particular headline is irresponsible specifically in its suggestion of something alarming going on. </em></p>
<p>Why do you not think this is alarming?  Of course it is alarming.  On what do you base your standards?  I will take a wild uninformed guess that you are not a Jew. </p>
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		By: Peter Beattie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Beattie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Â» Stephanie Z:
&lt;i&gt;And by seriously, I mean report on trends in a newspaper without having someone accuse you of irresponsibility.&lt;/i&gt;

That preposterous statement means you either will not or cannot read. I have said explicitly and repeatedly that every incident deserves publicity, but that &lt;i&gt;this particular&lt;/i&gt; headline is irresponsible &lt;i&gt;specifically&lt;/i&gt; in its suggestion of something alarming going on. I have also said that the CST report concludes that the war in Gaza played an important role, so obviously one example of a headline backed by the actual data might be &quot;CST: Anti-Semitic incidents increase in 2009, mainly due to Gaza&quot;.

This actually looks very much like the typical antivax, ID, or religionite discussion. How ever much those trying to argue with rationality bend over backwards to accommodate the ideologues, try to meet their terms, and be nice, it&#039;s never enough. Because they will not be satisfied until you subscribe to their particular tenet(s) of belief. In this case, it looks like until I accept the a priori premise that antisemitism is a substantial problem in the UK, you will still be &quot;suspicious&quot;. Well, too bad. Since you won&#039;t or can&#039;t justify your premises, nobody should be bullied by you to justify their skepticism about them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Â» Stephanie Z:<br />
<i>And by seriously, I mean report on trends in a newspaper without having someone accuse you of irresponsibility.</i></p>
<p>That preposterous statement means you either will not or cannot read. I have said explicitly and repeatedly that every incident deserves publicity, but that <i>this particular</i> headline is irresponsible <i>specifically</i> in its suggestion of something alarming going on. I have also said that the CST report concludes that the war in Gaza played an important role, so obviously one example of a headline backed by the actual data might be &#8220;CST: Anti-Semitic incidents increase in 2009, mainly due to Gaza&#8221;.</p>
<p>This actually looks very much like the typical antivax, ID, or religionite discussion. How ever much those trying to argue with rationality bend over backwards to accommodate the ideologues, try to meet their terms, and be nice, it&#8217;s never enough. Because they will not be satisfied until you subscribe to their particular tenet(s) of belief. In this case, it looks like until I accept the a priori premise that antisemitism is a substantial problem in the UK, you will still be &#8220;suspicious&#8221;. Well, too bad. Since you won&#8217;t or can&#8217;t justify your premises, nobody should be bullied by you to justify their skepticism about them.</p>
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		By: Allen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Allen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am sure you will think I am dumb, but why would one case of anti semitism be reported by the news? If it never happens, one case would be very newsworthy. if  it happened every day by everybody, it would not be newsworthy. 

Still, that was not my point. My point is that there is a reason that anti-homosexual acts are more likely, people do not want their children to see homosexuality and emulate them.  British people are mainly Christian and there is not a risk that the children will witness jews and change their mind about their religion but there  is a chance that impressionable young will change their attitude about shat is normal in sex.  

therefore  the anti semetic actions are becausethe jews are innocent, if misguided in religious terms. 

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sure you will think I am dumb, but why would one case of anti semitism be reported by the news? If it never happens, one case would be very newsworthy. if  it happened every day by everybody, it would not be newsworthy. </p>
<p>Still, that was not my point. My point is that there is a reason that anti-homosexual acts are more likely, people do not want their children to see homosexuality and emulate them.  British people are mainly Christian and there is not a risk that the children will witness jews and change their mind about their religion but there  is a chance that impressionable young will change their attitude about shat is normal in sex.  </p>
<p>therefore  the anti semetic actions are becausethe jews are innocent, if misguided in religious terms. </p>
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		By: Stephanie Z		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/02/07/uk-anti-semitism-at-record-hig/#comment-513847</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephanie Z]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Allen, I&#039;m not really sure what you&#039;re trying to say here, but I will point out that Peter has already conceded that the interests of those fighting homophobic attacks and those fighting anti-Semitic attacks are not at odds. The question is not whether anti-Semitism is more important. The question is at what point it becomes important enough to deal with seriously. And by seriously, I mean report on trends in a newspaper without having someone accuse you of irresponsibility.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allen, I&#8217;m not really sure what you&#8217;re trying to say here, but I will point out that Peter has already conceded that the interests of those fighting homophobic attacks and those fighting anti-Semitic attacks are not at odds. The question is not whether anti-Semitism is more important. The question is at what point it becomes important enough to deal with seriously. And by seriously, I mean report on trends in a newspaper without having someone accuse you of irresponsibility.</p>
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		By: Allen		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/02/07/uk-anti-semitism-at-record-hig/#comment-513846</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Allen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would suggest to you that one in five is much more important than one it several hundred. Homosexuals are more obvious in their behavior so there would be more frequency of attacks on them, and people can make a reasonable case that homosexuals can have a negative &quot;effect&quot; on society.  The Jews are not having a negative effect on society, thus the lower level of &quot;social adjustement.&quot; ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would suggest to you that one in five is much more important than one it several hundred. Homosexuals are more obvious in their behavior so there would be more frequency of attacks on them, and people can make a reasonable case that homosexuals can have a negative &#8220;effect&#8221; on society.  The Jews are not having a negative effect on society, thus the lower level of &#8220;social adjustement.&#8221; </p>
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		By: Stephanie Z		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/02/07/uk-anti-semitism-at-record-hig/#comment-513845</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephanie Z]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually, Peter, I asked you what it would take for you to say that anti-Semitism is a problem worth being addressed in a headline. Risk of shark attack is about 1 in 60,000,000 annually in the U.K. Assuming a single victim per reported anti-Semitic crime, since I can&#039;t determine how many crimes targeted entire synagogues, risk of that is about 1 in 300. Per Stonewall&#039;s hate crime report published last year, risk of a reported anti-homosexual attack, reported or otherwise, is about 1 in 5. Where is the cutoff for treating something as a societal problem and reporting about it in newspapers?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Peter, I asked you what it would take for you to say that anti-Semitism is a problem worth being addressed in a headline. Risk of shark attack is about 1 in 60,000,000 annually in the U.K. Assuming a single victim per reported anti-Semitic crime, since I can&#8217;t determine how many crimes targeted entire synagogues, risk of that is about 1 in 300. Per Stonewall&#8217;s hate crime report published last year, risk of a reported anti-homosexual attack, reported or otherwise, is about 1 in 5. Where is the cutoff for treating something as a societal problem and reporting about it in newspapers?</p>
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		By: Allen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Allen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The argument for antisemitic feelings in Britain come from only two sources:  A handful of zionist or Jewish web sites and one Jew who loudly proclaimed this on a blog somewhere.  That is very flimsy evidence, and in the absence of anything contrary I will assume that the British people (specifically the Christian British people, obviously, because the Jewish British People wold be anyway) are opena and welcoming and accepting and tolerant.  This is from what they are taught in their own society to be. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The argument for antisemitic feelings in Britain come from only two sources:  A handful of zionist or Jewish web sites and one Jew who loudly proclaimed this on a blog somewhere.  That is very flimsy evidence, and in the absence of anything contrary I will assume that the British people (specifically the Christian British people, obviously, because the Jewish British People wold be anyway) are opena and welcoming and accepting and tolerant.  This is from what they are taught in their own society to be. </p>
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		By: Peter Beattie		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/02/07/uk-anti-semitism-at-record-hig/#comment-513843</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Beattie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Â» Stephanie Z:
&lt;i&gt;Xenophobia can be addressed as a general issue, without requiring that the various groups affected by it compete for anyone&#039;s attention.&lt;/i&gt;

Agreed. Which is exactly why I object to people pretty much unthinkingly granting any particular grievance an exceptional status that goes way beyond what can be justified with data and arguments. You will notice, for example, that you still haven&#039;t produced either for your claim that antisemitism is indeed a &quot;troublesome problem&quot; &lt;i&gt;in British society as a whole&lt;/i&gt;. (Which is what the headline suggests.)

You have also been unwilling to even acknowledge that a &lt;i&gt;relative&lt;/i&gt; &quot;jump this large&quot; might well not be significant if the &lt;i&gt;absolute&lt;/i&gt; numbers are very low. (Which was the &lt;i&gt;explicit&lt;/i&gt; point behind the gay comparison, which you conveniently chose to ignore, I&#039;m afraid, to push your silly &quot;oppression olympics&quot; point.)

Put another way, since we seem to agree on conclusions and (at least some important) arguments, we would have to disagree on our premises. I haven&#039;t seen any data and/or arguments to suggest that antisemitism specifically is a troublesome problem in British society as a whole; you do seem to know of such data and/or arguments, but so far you haven&#039;t shared them. If you want to move the discussion forward, that would seem the place to do it.

Much of the rest of what you said about my comments, though, I&#039;m afraid, is not much more than reading your point of view into them, if you didn&#039;t ignore them altogether. Repeatedly. If you&#039;re not interested in discussing them fairly, then I&#039;ll move on to more fertile ground.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Â» Stephanie Z:<br />
<i>Xenophobia can be addressed as a general issue, without requiring that the various groups affected by it compete for anyone&#8217;s attention.</i></p>
<p>Agreed. Which is exactly why I object to people pretty much unthinkingly granting any particular grievance an exceptional status that goes way beyond what can be justified with data and arguments. You will notice, for example, that you still haven&#8217;t produced either for your claim that antisemitism is indeed a &#8220;troublesome problem&#8221; <i>in British society as a whole</i>. (Which is what the headline suggests.)</p>
<p>You have also been unwilling to even acknowledge that a <i>relative</i> &#8220;jump this large&#8221; might well not be significant if the <i>absolute</i> numbers are very low. (Which was the <i>explicit</i> point behind the gay comparison, which you conveniently chose to ignore, I&#8217;m afraid, to push your silly &#8220;oppression olympics&#8221; point.)</p>
<p>Put another way, since we seem to agree on conclusions and (at least some important) arguments, we would have to disagree on our premises. I haven&#8217;t seen any data and/or arguments to suggest that antisemitism specifically is a troublesome problem in British society as a whole; you do seem to know of such data and/or arguments, but so far you haven&#8217;t shared them. If you want to move the discussion forward, that would seem the place to do it.</p>
<p>Much of the rest of what you said about my comments, though, I&#8217;m afraid, is not much more than reading your point of view into them, if you didn&#8217;t ignore them altogether. Repeatedly. If you&#8217;re not interested in discussing them fairly, then I&#8217;ll move on to more fertile ground.</p>
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		By: Stephanie Z		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephanie Z]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Peter, an &quot;alarmist&quot; headline, which I don&#039;t concede that this is, is only irresponsible if it has some kind of consequence. I&#039;m not sure what you expect me to change my mind about, but if you want to argue that the headline requires more attention than the anti-Semitism, as you&#039;ve given it here, you&#039;re going to have to show that it has consequences that outweigh the benefits of noting that a troublesome problem is increasing.

You&#039;ve presented combating homophobia as though it were a competing interest (thus, oppression olympics). It isn&#039;t. Xenophobia can be addressed as a general issue, without requiring that the various groups affected by it compete for anyone&#039;s attention.

Now, since we&#039;re discussing mind-changing events, how prevalent would anti-Semitism have to be before you think a jump this large would merit a headline?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, an &#8220;alarmist&#8221; headline, which I don&#8217;t concede that this is, is only irresponsible if it has some kind of consequence. I&#8217;m not sure what you expect me to change my mind about, but if you want to argue that the headline requires more attention than the anti-Semitism, as you&#8217;ve given it here, you&#8217;re going to have to show that it has consequences that outweigh the benefits of noting that a troublesome problem is increasing.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve presented combating homophobia as though it were a competing interest (thus, oppression olympics). It isn&#8217;t. Xenophobia can be addressed as a general issue, without requiring that the various groups affected by it compete for anyone&#8217;s attention.</p>
<p>Now, since we&#8217;re discussing mind-changing events, how prevalent would anti-Semitism have to be before you think a jump this large would merit a headline?</p>
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