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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/01/27/babies-are-getting-smaller/#comment-512751</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, I like the idea of returning to the norm though I&#039;m not sure what the reason is.  I still like both the idea suggested above of fewer extra large babies and the idea I suggested of the immigrant stream including pre-growd folk and/or people who are just plain of short stature and thus don&#039;t experience the usual transition.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I like the idea of returning to the norm though I&#8217;m not sure what the reason is.  I still like both the idea suggested above of fewer extra large babies and the idea I suggested of the immigrant stream including pre-growd folk and/or people who are just plain of short stature and thus don&#8217;t experience the usual transition.  </p>
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		By: davem		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/01/27/babies-are-getting-smaller/#comment-512750</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe the out-breeding has stopped having its effects. After two centuries of Swedes marrying Germans, or English marrying Italians, the melting pot has , um, melted, and the the population is returning to the norm? Plus, of course better survival rates of sub-normal babies?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the out-breeding has stopped having its effects. After two centuries of Swedes marrying Germans, or English marrying Italians, the melting pot has , um, melted, and the the population is returning to the norm? Plus, of course better survival rates of sub-normal babies?</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jose, I don&#039;t think a comparison of birthweight (the weight at birth) can be affected by gestational age becaue they are comparing the age at birth.  Taking out the babies that 20 years ago were born big because the pregnancies were not sped up to avoid problems (now routine in US hospitals but not done to the same extent even 10 years ago) could explain this.

But it is also possible that this is just a small random &quot;down&quot; that will be equivilant to small random &quot;ups&quot; that will happen over the next several years as we have peaked out in birth weight and are now in a secular holding pattern.

Untill the Teabaggers and Republicans and Libertarians take over and the US finally becomes a third rate &quot;developing&quot; nation with no health care and the babies start getting born more smaller, more sicker, and more deader, and more hopeless.  

Not to inject politics into it or anything. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jose, I don&#8217;t think a comparison of birthweight (the weight at birth) can be affected by gestational age becaue they are comparing the age at birth.  Taking out the babies that 20 years ago were born big because the pregnancies were not sped up to avoid problems (now routine in US hospitals but not done to the same extent even 10 years ago) could explain this.</p>
<p>But it is also possible that this is just a small random &#8220;down&#8221; that will be equivilant to small random &#8220;ups&#8221; that will happen over the next several years as we have peaked out in birth weight and are now in a secular holding pattern.</p>
<p>Untill the Teabaggers and Republicans and Libertarians take over and the US finally becomes a third rate &#8220;developing&#8221; nation with no health care and the babies start getting born more smaller, more sicker, and more deader, and more hopeless.  </p>
<p>Not to inject politics into it or anything. </p>
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		By: Jim		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/01/27/babies-are-getting-smaller/#comment-512748</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;sarcasm&gt;It&#039;s the vaccines, obviously.&lt;/sarcasm&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><sarcasm>It&#8217;s the vaccines, obviously.</sarcasm></p>
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		By: JosÃ©		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/01/27/babies-are-getting-smaller/#comment-512747</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JosÃ©]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;#24 HELLO!! Gestational age is not determined solely by ultrasound&lt;/i&gt;

No shit.  I clearly didn&#039;t claim it was determined solely by ultrasound. 
 
&lt;i&gt;The point is ....they are being born SMALLER.&lt;/i&gt;

No shit.  But the point of the study isn&#039;t what you seem to think it is.

&lt;i&gt;We are also getting more late term preemies with gestational ages of 36-37 weeks which may still be a pretty good size, but still need to be treated a little differently that full term infants. &lt;/i&gt; 

The study is not looking at a decrease overall birthweight.  Unfortunately all I have available is the abstract, but if I understand it correctly (and I may not), it appears that they attempted to control for everything they think might cause a difference in birthweight, and inexplicably still found a difference.  So the cause must be something that was not obvious to them.  I&#039;m positing that they may have erred by unknowingly comparing babies of different gestational ages, and that might account for the difference. What&#039;s your genius idea?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>#24 HELLO!! Gestational age is not determined solely by ultrasound</i></p>
<p>No shit.  I clearly didn&#8217;t claim it was determined solely by ultrasound. </p>
<p><i>The point is &#8230;.they are being born SMALLER.</i></p>
<p>No shit.  But the point of the study isn&#8217;t what you seem to think it is.</p>
<p><i>We are also getting more late term preemies with gestational ages of 36-37 weeks which may still be a pretty good size, but still need to be treated a little differently that full term infants. </i> </p>
<p>The study is not looking at a decrease overall birthweight.  Unfortunately all I have available is the abstract, but if I understand it correctly (and I may not), it appears that they attempted to control for everything they think might cause a difference in birthweight, and inexplicably still found a difference.  So the cause must be something that was not obvious to them.  I&#8217;m positing that they may have erred by unknowingly comparing babies of different gestational ages, and that might account for the difference. What&#8217;s your genius idea?</p>
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		By: daedalus2u		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/01/27/babies-are-getting-smaller/#comment-512746</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg, I have a comment in moderation, there were two links, one to the paper and another to a similar paper showing an increase in average birth weight over the same time frame in Australia.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, I have a comment in moderation, there were two links, one to the paper and another to a similar paper showing an increase in average birth weight over the same time frame in Australia.  </p>
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		By: gwen		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/01/27/babies-are-getting-smaller/#comment-512745</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[#24 HELLO!! Gestational age is not determined solely by ultrasound, and after a baby is born, you can usually narrow the gestational age down by examination of the development of the neonate. That is a part of a newborn assessment. The point is ....they are being born SMALLER. We are also getting more late term preemies with gestational ages of 36-37 weeks which may still be a pretty good size, but still need to be treated a little differently that full term infants.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#24 HELLO!! Gestational age is not determined solely by ultrasound, and after a baby is born, you can usually narrow the gestational age down by examination of the development of the neonate. That is a part of a newborn assessment. The point is &#8230;.they are being born SMALLER. We are also getting more late term preemies with gestational ages of 36-37 weeks which may still be a pretty good size, but still need to be treated a little differently that full term infants.</p>
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		By: rob		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/01/27/babies-are-getting-smaller/#comment-512744</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[why isn&#039;t the DNR doing something about these baby poachers? people shouldn&#039;t be keeping all these underweight babies. the babies should be released back into the wild until they big enough!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why isn&#8217;t the DNR doing something about these baby poachers? people shouldn&#8217;t be keeping all these underweight babies. the babies should be released back into the wild until they big enough!</p>
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		By: daedalus2u		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/01/27/babies-are-getting-smaller/#comment-512743</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very special or pay cash money.

http://journals.lww.com/greenjournal/pages/articleviewer.aspx?year=2010&amp;issue=02000&amp;article=00023&amp;type=abstract

But looking at this report out of Australia, their babies seem to be getting bigger.  

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19296812

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very special or pay cash money.</p>
<p><a href="http://journals.lww.com/greenjournal/pages/articleviewer.aspx?year=2010&#038;issue=02000&#038;article=00023&#038;type=abstract" rel="nofollow ugc">http://journals.lww.com/greenjournal/pages/articleviewer.aspx?year=2010&#038;issue=02000&#038;article=00023&#038;type=abstract</a></p>
<p>But looking at this report out of Australia, their babies seem to be getting bigger.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19296812" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19296812</a></p>
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		By: JosÃ©		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/01/27/babies-are-getting-smaller/#comment-512742</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JosÃ©]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;It is possible that fetal development and thus gestation length is being measured from ultrasounds. &lt;/i&gt;

That is what they do.  I know it&#039;s not used in all cases, but I&#039;m pretty sure using ultrasound information in determining a due date is nothing out of the ordinary, especially in cases where a woman has an irregular period or doesn&#039;t know the date of here last period.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It is possible that fetal development and thus gestation length is being measured from ultrasounds. </i></p>
<p>That is what they do.  I know it&#8217;s not used in all cases, but I&#8217;m pretty sure using ultrasound information in determining a due date is nothing out of the ordinary, especially in cases where a woman has an irregular period or doesn&#8217;t know the date of here last period.</p>
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