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	Comments on: Unscientific America by Chris Mooney and Sheril Kirshenbaum: A review.	</title>
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		By: Peter Beattie		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/01/13/unscientific-america-by-chris/#comment-512069</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No worries, I wasn&#039;t trying to rush you.

Maybe I can try to clarify one or two things, while I&#039;m at it. I have an interest in any ideas that could help improve actual scientific literacy, as that happens to be something I teach. It goes without saying, then, that I&#039;d be delighted if UA contained such ideas and that I&#039;d actually buy and read the book. In order to assess the likelihood of that, though, I&#039;ll naturally have to rely on reviews and (in this case) whatever texts the authors write &lt;i&gt;about&lt;/i&gt; their book. I can only tentatively &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/12/live-on-daily-kos-at-9am/#comment-24555&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;assume from that&lt;/a&gt; that what is contained in UA is neither new nor particularly imaginativeâ??at least that seems to be the consensus in the reviews, and M&amp;K have added not a single thing to countervail that impression.

But what is worse, from where I&#039;m standing, is that in the whole debate M&amp;K have consistently displayed a rather surprising ignorance of central aspects of any meaningful definition of &#039;scientific literacy&#039;â??and indeed &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/10/eugenie-scott-powerfully-makes-the-case-for-science-religion-compatibility/#comment-23978&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;science&#039;s philosophical basis&lt;/a&gt;. To being with, they seem to have &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/12/live-on-daily-kos-at-9am/#comment-24497&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;no meaningful definition of &#039;scientific literacy&#039;&lt;/a&gt;; any requests to clarify what exactly they mean by that were deflected with the usual &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/12/live-on-daily-kos-at-9am/#comment-24499&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&#039;Buy our book&#039;&lt;/a&gt;. (See also their &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/01/19/what-should-science-organizations-say-about-religion-answer-a-lot/comment-page-1/#comment-46188&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;latest post&lt;/a&gt;, where they speak of &quot;the acceptance of evolutionary science&quot;, as if a mere nodding approval of evolution entailed actual scientific literacy.)

Second, they seem not to notice that some of their claims, e.g. that the Really Quite Old Atheists&#039; tactics are counterproductive, would need some actual data to support them; they either &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/27/some-more-words-to-the-new-atheist-blogosphere-on-unscientific-america/#comment-28032&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ignored this complaint&lt;/a&gt; or, in the Pew case, cited material that flatly contradicted their claims.

Third, with respect to reviews of UA, M&amp;K took great pains not to mention the critical aspects of the great majority of reviews, &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/13/unscientific-america-untangled/#comment-24820&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in a few cases&lt;/a&gt; quoting just two or three sentences that were vaguely positive out of a dozen &lt;i&gt;paragraphs&lt;/i&gt; that made substantial criticisms which also were almost identical to those by PZ and Jerry. In the context of science, this is blatantly in breach of any good ethical conduct that we should want the public to be literate about.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No worries, I wasn&#8217;t trying to rush you.</p>
<p>Maybe I can try to clarify one or two things, while I&#8217;m at it. I have an interest in any ideas that could help improve actual scientific literacy, as that happens to be something I teach. It goes without saying, then, that I&#8217;d be delighted if UA contained such ideas and that I&#8217;d actually buy and read the book. In order to assess the likelihood of that, though, I&#8217;ll naturally have to rely on reviews and (in this case) whatever texts the authors write <i>about</i> their book. I can only tentatively <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/12/live-on-daily-kos-at-9am/#comment-24555" rel="nofollow">assume from that</a> that what is contained in UA is neither new nor particularly imaginativeâ??at least that seems to be the consensus in the reviews, and M&#038;K have added not a single thing to countervail that impression.</p>
<p>But what is worse, from where I&#8217;m standing, is that in the whole debate M&#038;K have consistently displayed a rather surprising ignorance of central aspects of any meaningful definition of &#8216;scientific literacy&#8217;â??and indeed <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/10/eugenie-scott-powerfully-makes-the-case-for-science-religion-compatibility/#comment-23978" rel="nofollow">science&#8217;s philosophical basis</a>. To being with, they seem to have <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/12/live-on-daily-kos-at-9am/#comment-24497" rel="nofollow">no meaningful definition of &#8216;scientific literacy&#8217;</a>; any requests to clarify what exactly they mean by that were deflected with the usual <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/12/live-on-daily-kos-at-9am/#comment-24499" rel="nofollow">&#8216;Buy our book&#8217;</a>. (See also their <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/01/19/what-should-science-organizations-say-about-religion-answer-a-lot/comment-page-1/#comment-46188" rel="nofollow">latest post</a>, where they speak of &#8220;the acceptance of evolutionary science&#8221;, as if a mere nodding approval of evolution entailed actual scientific literacy.)</p>
<p>Second, they seem not to notice that some of their claims, e.g. that the Really Quite Old Atheists&#8217; tactics are counterproductive, would need some actual data to support them; they either <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/27/some-more-words-to-the-new-atheist-blogosphere-on-unscientific-america/#comment-28032" rel="nofollow">ignored this complaint</a> or, in the Pew case, cited material that flatly contradicted their claims.</p>
<p>Third, with respect to reviews of UA, M&#038;K took great pains not to mention the critical aspects of the great majority of reviews, <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/13/unscientific-america-untangled/#comment-24820" rel="nofollow">in a few cases</a> quoting just two or three sentences that were vaguely positive out of a dozen <i>paragraphs</i> that made substantial criticisms which also were almost identical to those by PZ and Jerry. In the context of science, this is blatantly in breach of any good ethical conduct that we should want the public to be literate about.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Peter, I&#039;m hoping to.  I have had only a minute here and a minute there since Thursday, and that will continue for a while longer.  I intend to respond to those comments and others as well, but I think I&#039;ll do that in the form of an entirely new blog post.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, I&#8217;m hoping to.  I have had only a minute here and a minute there since Thursday, and that will continue for a while longer.  I intend to respond to those comments and others as well, but I think I&#8217;ll do that in the form of an entirely new blog post.  </p>
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		By: Peter Beattie		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/01/13/unscientific-america-by-chris/#comment-512067</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Beattie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg, do you think you&#039;ll have the time to respond to comments &lt;a href=&quot;http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/01/unscientific_america_by_chris.php#comment-2206901&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;61&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/01/unscientific_america_by_chris.php#comment-2207691&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;64&lt;/a&gt;? I&#039;d actually be interested in your view.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, do you think you&#8217;ll have the time to respond to comments <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/01/unscientific_america_by_chris.php#comment-2206901" rel="nofollow">61</a> and <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/01/unscientific_america_by_chris.php#comment-2207691" rel="nofollow">64</a>? I&#8217;d actually be interested in your view.</p>
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		By: bo moore		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/01/13/unscientific-america-by-chris/#comment-512066</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bo moore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hmmm....It&#039;s good to see active commentary, but much of it seems to be an argument over who should be queen of the Science Prom: not very interesting. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;.It&#8217;s good to see active commentary, but much of it seems to be an argument over who should be queen of the Science Prom: not very interesting. </p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Pam, thanks for mentioning that, and it is worth noting that the anti-science &quot;left wing&quot; crowd was just as much on the minds and lips of people at the recent #scio10 conference as were the right wing anti science crowd, in the sessions and conversations I took part in. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pam, thanks for mentioning that, and it is worth noting that the anti-science &#8220;left wing&#8221; crowd was just as much on the minds and lips of people at the recent #scio10 conference as were the right wing anti science crowd, in the sessions and conversations I took part in. </p>
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		By: Pam Ronald		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pam Ronald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[yogi one

I agree that we need programs to train scientists in the art of communicating to the public.

the organization Poptech is doing just that.

 See:

http://www.poptech.org/science_and_public_leadership_fellows_release
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yogi one</p>
<p>I agree that we need programs to train scientists in the art of communicating to the public.</p>
<p>the organization Poptech is doing just that.</p>
<p> See:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.poptech.org/science_and_public_leadership_fellows_release" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.poptech.org/science_and_public_leadership_fellows_release</a></p>
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		By: Pam Ronald		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/01/13/unscientific-america-by-chris/#comment-512063</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pam Ronald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks very much for the review. I am on my way to amazon right now.

One point in your list of the obvious enemy (Republicans, Morons and Megalomaniacs) , you left out the leftwing antiscience crowd.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks very much for the review. I am on my way to amazon right now.</p>
<p>One point in your list of the obvious enemy (Republicans, Morons and Megalomaniacs) , you left out the leftwing antiscience crowd.</p>
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		By: Marion Delgado		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marion Delgado]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It says nothing against EO Wilson other than that he didn&#039;t know everything, but he spent a long time conflating the Progressive Labor Party - a tight-knit Maoist group that pretty much hated and disrupted every other group on every campus they were on, left right and center, including one of his talks - with his often left-liberal philosophical and theoretical opponents. And it only got worse when other people waded in.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It says nothing against EO Wilson other than that he didn&#8217;t know everything, but he spent a long time conflating the Progressive Labor Party &#8211; a tight-knit Maoist group that pretty much hated and disrupted every other group on every campus they were on, left right and center, including one of his talks &#8211; with his often left-liberal philosophical and theoretical opponents. And it only got worse when other people waded in.</p>
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		By: John Kwok		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Kwok]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[llewelly -

Steve was all over the place with his interest in and support of Marxism. He was definitely a very strong supporter of it - if not strictly speaking an avowed one - when he and Lewontin critiqued &quot;Sociobiology&quot; (and E. O. Wilson) as members of the radical leftist - and Marxist-oriented - Science for the People.

There&#039;s this interesting obituary that appeared in this socialist publication which may be worth noting:

http://socialistworker.org/2002-1/410/410_08_StephenJayGould.shtml

(I might add that the writer provides more evidence supporting my contention that, as a public figure, Steve was far more important than Carl Sagan ever was.).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>llewelly &#8211;</p>
<p>Steve was all over the place with his interest in and support of Marxism. He was definitely a very strong supporter of it &#8211; if not strictly speaking an avowed one &#8211; when he and Lewontin critiqued &#8220;Sociobiology&#8221; (and E. O. Wilson) as members of the radical leftist &#8211; and Marxist-oriented &#8211; Science for the People.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s this interesting obituary that appeared in this socialist publication which may be worth noting:</p>
<p><a href="http://socialistworker.org/2002-1/410/410_08_StephenJayGould.shtml" rel="nofollow ugc">http://socialistworker.org/2002-1/410/410_08_StephenJayGould.shtml</a></p>
<p>(I might add that the writer provides more evidence supporting my contention that, as a public figure, Steve was far more important than Carl Sagan ever was.).</p>
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		By: llewelly		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/01/13/unscientific-america-by-chris/#comment-512060</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 06:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kwok, Steve Gould was not a Marxist. His father was, but Steve always said his views were different; he criticized Marxist views in a few places. 
His enemies portrayed him as a Marxist because it was politically convenient for them to do so.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kwok, Steve Gould was not a Marxist. His father was, but Steve always said his views were different; he criticized Marxist views in a few places.<br />
His enemies portrayed him as a Marxist because it was politically convenient for them to do so.</p>
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