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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OK, Snoop Dogg may have done better than I&#039;m saying.  But, when Barack was at Law School (we overlapped at Hahvad) he was considered to have a very thick accent owing to his insistence of using the letter &quot;r&quot; where it was supposed to be.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, Snoop Dogg may have done better than I&#8217;m saying.  But, when Barack was at Law School (we overlapped at Hahvad) he was considered to have a very thick accent owing to his insistence of using the letter &#8220;r&#8221; where it was supposed to be.  </p>
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		By: becca		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/01/10/speaking-of-negro/#comment-511790</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[becca]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;There IS a discernible speech pattern assignable to many of our African American brothers, a speech pattern that is off-putting to many white people.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
WTF? Barack talks the exact same way ALL black people at University of Chicago talk. Which is the same way all normal people talk. 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Snoop Dogg would have been easily beaten the primaries by Hillary Clinton.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
Unsure.
&quot;I don&#039;t care if it&#039;s limbless, I don&#039;t care if it&#039;s braindead, as long as it has a penis.&quot;
Besides, Snoop Dogg used to be cool. 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;There IS a discernible speech pattern assignable to many of our African American brothers, a speech pattern that is off-putting to many white people.&#8221;</i><br />
WTF? Barack talks the exact same way ALL black people at University of Chicago talk. Which is the same way all normal people talk. </p>
<p><i>&#8220;Snoop Dogg would have been easily beaten the primaries by Hillary Clinton.&#8221;</i><br />
Unsure.<br />
&#8220;I don&#8217;t care if it&#8217;s limbless, I don&#8217;t care if it&#8217;s braindead, as long as it has a penis.&#8221;<br />
Besides, Snoop Dogg used to be cool. </p>
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		By: Jdhuey		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/01/10/speaking-of-negro/#comment-511789</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt; I&#039;m telling you, if he hadn&#039;t had that Southern Drawl, he&#039;d RULE THE FUCKING WORLD. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

But if he had one of those upper class English accents, he&#039;d rule the Universe.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> I&#8217;m telling you, if he hadn&#8217;t had that Southern Drawl, he&#8217;d RULE THE FUCKING WORLD. </p></blockquote>
<p>But if he had one of those upper class English accents, he&#8217;d rule the Universe.</p>
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		By: llewelly		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/01/10/speaking-of-negro/#comment-511788</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[llewelly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Except that having a Southern Drawl lowers your IQ by 20 points.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
holy fuck. A kid in my 5th grade math class tested 219 on his IQ test. He had a Southern Drawl. If he hadn&#039;t had that Southern Dral he would have flattened Marilyn Vos Savant. And he could quote multi-page excerpts of Dune, LOTR, some other novels, and rulebooks for various RPGs. And he memorized an entire fucking table of logarithms which he used to do math tricks. I&#039;m telling you, if he hadn&#039;t had that Southern Drawl, he&#039;d RULE THE FUCKING WORLD. 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Except that having a Southern Drawl lowers your IQ by 20 points.</p></blockquote>
<p>holy fuck. A kid in my 5th grade math class tested 219 on his IQ test. He had a Southern Drawl. If he hadn&#8217;t had that Southern Dral he would have flattened Marilyn Vos Savant. And he could quote multi-page excerpts of Dune, LOTR, some other novels, and rulebooks for various RPGs. And he memorized an entire fucking table of logarithms which he used to do math tricks. I&#8217;m telling you, if he hadn&#8217;t had that Southern Drawl, he&#8217;d RULE THE FUCKING WORLD. </p>
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		By: llewelly		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/01/10/speaking-of-negro/#comment-511787</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;A racist is not a satanic neo-nazi with horns and a burning cross. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
I hate you for reminding me that life is complicated.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A racist is not a satanic neo-nazi with horns and a burning cross. </p></blockquote>
<p>I hate you for reminding me that life is complicated.</p>
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		By: Michael Spencer		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/01/10/speaking-of-negro/#comment-511786</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I take Sailor&#039;s point that the words are only harmful because they take the scab from a racist wound (well, he didn&#039;t say that, but it&#039;s what I thought about when I read his better-sounding post).

And Greg: &quot;But racism is pervasive and powerful and everywhere, affecting every and any (thanks Stephanie) one.&quot;

Oh, man, is that ever true. I grew up in a very racist household, a place where the N word was just as common as, say, slippers, and nobody thought about it. Same way with Jews, really. A household full of racist Republicans.

I don&#039;t really know whence the sense of &#039;wrongness&#039;. Partially teenage rebellion, no doubt. Then, moving to Baton Rouge for undergraduate and graduate school, I saw the &#039;whites&#039; signs in doctor offices. Yep. I never knew a Jew or a black person until college, and then whattya know? They are just like usuns! Who knew?

Not me. I can regale everyone here with the things kids hear in that kind of a home, stories of big lips, stories of greasy hairâ?? anyone getting sick yet? Well, tough shit, because THAT is what millions of us have been exposed to by our own parents. It&#039;s out there, people, behind closed doors.

Is it even possible to throw off this ugliness? I know that I suffered with it and I also know that I have done much to rid my heart of these pervasive prejudices.

Is it gone? Honest answer: I just don&#039;t know. I can still be blind-sided by myself.

I know damn well that I still have racist thoughtsâ??more to the point, racist assumptions, or a worldview still slightly shaded by my mother&#039;s eyes. I know it because I know that escaping that kind of household without them is probably not possible. I&#039;ve worked my entire adult life to shed them, and done some pretty scary things back in the early 70&#039;s in an effort to scrub myself. I know I have them, but I can&#039;t always identify them.

At the time back in the movement, when I was most active, I didn&#039;t actually realize that it was ME I was interested in freeing as much as it was my black friends. Wait, they were negroes then!

Am I free of it? Maybe so. I don&#039;t think so entirely, and I am grateful to anyone who stands up and points out where the monster lives, including everyone here. The price of my childhood is lifelong vigilance.

It&#039;s impossible for me at this point to actually define where this remnant lives in my own heart. It could be that the remnant is the fear.

And THAT is why I cried when Obama was elected.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take Sailor&#8217;s point that the words are only harmful because they take the scab from a racist wound (well, he didn&#8217;t say that, but it&#8217;s what I thought about when I read his better-sounding post).</p>
<p>And Greg: &#8220;But racism is pervasive and powerful and everywhere, affecting every and any (thanks Stephanie) one.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, man, is that ever true. I grew up in a very racist household, a place where the N word was just as common as, say, slippers, and nobody thought about it. Same way with Jews, really. A household full of racist Republicans.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really know whence the sense of &#8216;wrongness&#8217;. Partially teenage rebellion, no doubt. Then, moving to Baton Rouge for undergraduate and graduate school, I saw the &#8216;whites&#8217; signs in doctor offices. Yep. I never knew a Jew or a black person until college, and then whattya know? They are just like usuns! Who knew?</p>
<p>Not me. I can regale everyone here with the things kids hear in that kind of a home, stories of big lips, stories of greasy hairâ?? anyone getting sick yet? Well, tough shit, because THAT is what millions of us have been exposed to by our own parents. It&#8217;s out there, people, behind closed doors.</p>
<p>Is it even possible to throw off this ugliness? I know that I suffered with it and I also know that I have done much to rid my heart of these pervasive prejudices.</p>
<p>Is it gone? Honest answer: I just don&#8217;t know. I can still be blind-sided by myself.</p>
<p>I know damn well that I still have racist thoughtsâ??more to the point, racist assumptions, or a worldview still slightly shaded by my mother&#8217;s eyes. I know it because I know that escaping that kind of household without them is probably not possible. I&#8217;ve worked my entire adult life to shed them, and done some pretty scary things back in the early 70&#8217;s in an effort to scrub myself. I know I have them, but I can&#8217;t always identify them.</p>
<p>At the time back in the movement, when I was most active, I didn&#8217;t actually realize that it was ME I was interested in freeing as much as it was my black friends. Wait, they were negroes then!</p>
<p>Am I free of it? Maybe so. I don&#8217;t think so entirely, and I am grateful to anyone who stands up and points out where the monster lives, including everyone here. The price of my childhood is lifelong vigilance.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s impossible for me at this point to actually define where this remnant lives in my own heart. It could be that the remnant is the fear.</p>
<p>And THAT is why I cried when Obama was elected.</p>
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		By: Alex		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/01/10/speaking-of-negro/#comment-511785</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Racist, yea, but there ya go.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I see that the term &quot;casual racism&quot; is still useful.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Racist, yea, but there ya go.</p></blockquote>
<p>I see that the term &#8220;casual racism&#8221; is still useful.</p>
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		By: Neil B		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It looks like Reid was talking about other people&#039;s prejudices, not his own - since his comments were about whether Obama &quot;could win&quot; the election. So Reid was implying, there wouldn&#039;t be as much voter prejudice given Obama being lighter and more ivy-league. That&#039;s more like saying, &quot;I don&#039;t think a Jew/atheist etc. could get elected yet in America&quot; etc. Considering what polls showed, Reid may have been right to think a more distinct black man would have trouble getting elected - and even if wrong, it would be &quot;the voters&quot; that really deserved an apology most. Griping by conservatives over an alleged &quot;double standard&quot; is bunk.

Compare to Trent Lott: Lott said things would have been better if Strom Thurmond had won the Presidency in 1948:
&quot;When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. ... had followed our lead, we wouldn&#039;t have had all these problems over the years, either.&quot; Thurmond ran as a segregationist under the Dixiecrat Party. That means, Lott was supporting anti-civil-rights policies, not just using &quot;inappropriate language.&quot; Note the contextually suspect phrase &quot;all these problems.&quot;  He resigned only from being Majority Leader, not Senator per se.

As for e.g. Robert Byrd being in the KKK, Byrd did not continue to support such attitudes and could say it was &quot;in the past&quot; although I don&#039;t think he would be an appropriate Majority Leader either.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like Reid was talking about other people&#8217;s prejudices, not his own &#8211; since his comments were about whether Obama &#8220;could win&#8221; the election. So Reid was implying, there wouldn&#8217;t be as much voter prejudice given Obama being lighter and more ivy-league. That&#8217;s more like saying, &#8220;I don&#8217;t think a Jew/atheist etc. could get elected yet in America&#8221; etc. Considering what polls showed, Reid may have been right to think a more distinct black man would have trouble getting elected &#8211; and even if wrong, it would be &#8220;the voters&#8221; that really deserved an apology most. Griping by conservatives over an alleged &#8220;double standard&#8221; is bunk.</p>
<p>Compare to Trent Lott: Lott said things would have been better if Strom Thurmond had won the Presidency in 1948:<br />
&#8220;When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. &#8230; had followed our lead, we wouldn&#8217;t have had all these problems over the years, either.&#8221; Thurmond ran as a segregationist under the Dixiecrat Party. That means, Lott was supporting anti-civil-rights policies, not just using &#8220;inappropriate language.&#8221; Note the contextually suspect phrase &#8220;all these problems.&#8221;  He resigned only from being Majority Leader, not Senator per se.</p>
<p>As for e.g. Robert Byrd being in the KKK, Byrd did not continue to support such attitudes and could say it was &#8220;in the past&#8221; although I don&#8217;t think he would be an appropriate Majority Leader either.</p>
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		By: jdhuey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Then we can all enjoy the appreciate such things as the African American dialect, as much as we appreciate other linguisitic variations of English, like the good old southern drawl.&quot;

Except that having a Southern Drawl lowers your IQ by 20 points.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Then we can all enjoy the appreciate such things as the African American dialect, as much as we appreciate other linguisitic variations of English, like the good old southern drawl.&#8221;</p>
<p>Except that having a Southern Drawl lowers your IQ by 20 points.</p>
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		By: Unikraken		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would rather have the Republicans continue to fight with each other and dig their own holes deeper.

They will eventually tear the party completely apart and then we might see something get done around here.

Who knows, maybe the fiscal conservatives can rally afterward and create a party that doesn&#039;t include the mentally unstable and morally destitute.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would rather have the Republicans continue to fight with each other and dig their own holes deeper.</p>
<p>They will eventually tear the party completely apart and then we might see something get done around here.</p>
<p>Who knows, maybe the fiscal conservatives can rally afterward and create a party that doesn&#8217;t include the mentally unstable and morally destitute.</p>
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