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		By: Melissa		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/01/02/out-of-place-oak-is-13-thousan/#comment-511054</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melissa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 08:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I had no idea such ancient plants existed - thanks for enlightening me. This is my first Festival of the Trees &amp; I&#039;m making the rounds. Nice to meet yr blog.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had no idea such ancient plants existed &#8211; thanks for enlightening me. This is my first Festival of the Trees &#038; I&#8217;m making the rounds. Nice to meet yr blog.</p>
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		By: ramblingwoods		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/01/02/out-of-place-oak-is-13-thousan/#comment-511053</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ramblingwoods]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 21:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That is amazing..my tree post..not scientific at all...
&lt;a href=&quot;http://ramblingwoods.com/2010/01/21/festival-of-trees-44new-englands-oldest-elm-tree-herbie-is-no-more/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Herbie The Elm Tree&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is amazing..my tree post..not scientific at all&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://ramblingwoods.com/2010/01/21/festival-of-trees-44new-englands-oldest-elm-tree-herbie-is-no-more/" rel="nofollow">Herbie The Elm Tree</a></p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 21:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Paul S. - Actually, we do. It&#039;s called &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/deputate/polycomm/pressrel/crable/crable082099.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;box huckleberry&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Gaylussacia brachycera&lt;/em&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paul S. &#8211; Actually, we do. It&#8217;s called <a href="http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/deputate/polycomm/pressrel/crable/crable082099.htm" rel="nofollow">box huckleberry</a>, <em>Gaylussacia brachycera</em>.</p>
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		By: Paul		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/01/02/out-of-place-oak-is-13-thousan/#comment-511051</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 13:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Don&#039;t pay much attention to the creationists, I have personally never met one, and suspect they don&#039;t exist in large numbers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://people-press.org/commentary/?analysisid=118&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Surveys are also fairly consistent in their estimates of how many Americans believe in evolution or creationism. Approximately 40%-50% of the public accepts a biblical creationist account of the origins of life, while comparable numbers accept the idea that humans evolved over time.&lt;/a&gt;

It&#039;s from 2005, but there hasn&#039;t exactly been a mass exodus from magical thinking to rationality in the last 5 years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Don&#8217;t pay much attention to the creationists, I have personally never met one, and suspect they don&#8217;t exist in large numbers.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://people-press.org/commentary/?analysisid=118" rel="nofollow">Surveys are also fairly consistent in their estimates of how many Americans believe in evolution or creationism. Approximately 40%-50% of the public accepts a biblical creationist account of the origins of life, while comparable numbers accept the idea that humans evolved over time.</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s from 2005, but there hasn&#8217;t exactly been a mass exodus from magical thinking to rationality in the last 5 years.</p>
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		By: Sven DiMilo		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/01/02/out-of-place-oak-is-13-thousan/#comment-511050</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sven DiMilo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 10:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Don&#039;t pay much attention to the creationists, I have personally never met one, and suspect they don&#039;t exist in large numbers. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

WTF? You are wrong wrong wrong about that!
Ever been to, say, Oklahoma?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Don&#8217;t pay much attention to the creationists, I have personally never met one, and suspect they don&#8217;t exist in large numbers. </p></blockquote>
<p>WTF? You are wrong wrong wrong about that!<br />
Ever been to, say, Oklahoma?</p>
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		By: pft		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/01/02/out-of-place-oak-is-13-thousan/#comment-511049</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pft]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 00:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[While it was in an ice age 13,000 years ago, the warming that brought about the end of the ice age began 18-20,000 years ago.

An ice age of course tends to wipe out most vegetation, especially those that end up under glaciers.  When trees first evolved, my memory fails me, 400 million years ago IIRC, the lignin was resistant to bacterial degradation, and some scientists say that they played a big role in reducing CO2 levels from several thousand ppm to levels sufficient to facilitate an ice age.  

Bacteria of course have since learned to deal with trees lignin, but with a higher albedo than cropland, some suspect the LIA may have been induced by deforestation to plant crops.

With reforestation in the NH over the last 60 years, perhaps some of the warming is due to trees.

Don&#039;t pay much attention to the creationists, I have personally never met one, and suspect they don&#039;t exist in large numbers.  Most Christians were fine with Darwinism in the 19th century, and the Catholic Church has never literally interpreted the bible, and supported science to better understand the scriptures.  Of course, they insisted on proof, and any unproven hypothesis, such as Galileos heliocentric views were met with skepticism.  But new views in science even today meet with skepticism, thats science.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it was in an ice age 13,000 years ago, the warming that brought about the end of the ice age began 18-20,000 years ago.</p>
<p>An ice age of course tends to wipe out most vegetation, especially those that end up under glaciers.  When trees first evolved, my memory fails me, 400 million years ago IIRC, the lignin was resistant to bacterial degradation, and some scientists say that they played a big role in reducing CO2 levels from several thousand ppm to levels sufficient to facilitate an ice age.  </p>
<p>Bacteria of course have since learned to deal with trees lignin, but with a higher albedo than cropland, some suspect the LIA may have been induced by deforestation to plant crops.</p>
<p>With reforestation in the NH over the last 60 years, perhaps some of the warming is due to trees.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t pay much attention to the creationists, I have personally never met one, and suspect they don&#8217;t exist in large numbers.  Most Christians were fine with Darwinism in the 19th century, and the Catholic Church has never literally interpreted the bible, and supported science to better understand the scriptures.  Of course, they insisted on proof, and any unproven hypothesis, such as Galileos heliocentric views were met with skepticism.  But new views in science even today meet with skepticism, thats science.  </p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 23:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Paul&quot; I&#039;d wager there is pollen, but it would not be 13k.  It would be much older, closer to 40k]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul&#8221; I&#8217;d wager there is pollen, but it would not be 13k.  It would be much older, closer to 40k</p>
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		By: Sven DiMilo		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/01/02/out-of-place-oak-is-13-thousan/#comment-511047</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sven DiMilo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 23:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve seen the creosote ring in question. &quot;King Clone&quot; they call it, the botanists and people like that. 
I once found it with Google Earth, too, and that wasn&#039;t easy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen the creosote ring in question. &#8220;King Clone&#8221; they call it, the botanists and people like that.<br />
I once found it with Google Earth, too, and that wasn&#8217;t easy.</p>
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		By: Paul S.		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/01/02/out-of-place-oak-is-13-thousan/#comment-511046</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul S.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, but are there any 13,000 year old trees in it?  I didn&#039;t think so. :P]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but are there any 13,000 year old trees in it?  I didn&#8217;t think so. 😛</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 11:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Paul, there is some old ice in the ADK&#039;s and the White Mountains.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, there is some old ice in the ADK&#8217;s and the White Mountains.  </p>
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