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		By: Kristan		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/11/03/how-many-people-does-it-take-t/#comment-550137</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kristan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2011 04:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Do NOT under any circumstances go!! In fact, plan on skipping Xmas and New Years. Our baby was in the hospital for four days at 2 months old with RSV. Google it, it&#039;s not fun by any means and us scary as hell for mom. A child under three months with any fever is basically instantly rushed to the hospital because they have NO immune system with which to fight off anything. We didn&#039;t take our baby out or anything, but drew the short straw in that my husband who rides the train probably brought it home with him. It was horrible and I caution any parents who have winter babies to make like bears and hibernate. It&#039;s sooooo not worth watching the nurses come in every two hours to use the suction hose attached to the wall to suck the snot out of your baby so he can breath. No no no no no!! STAY HOME!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do NOT under any circumstances go!! In fact, plan on skipping Xmas and New Years. Our baby was in the hospital for four days at 2 months old with RSV. Google it, it&#8217;s not fun by any means and us scary as hell for mom. A child under three months with any fever is basically instantly rushed to the hospital because they have NO immune system with which to fight off anything. We didn&#8217;t take our baby out or anything, but drew the short straw in that my husband who rides the train probably brought it home with him. It was horrible and I caution any parents who have winter babies to make like bears and hibernate. It&#8217;s sooooo not worth watching the nurses come in every two hours to use the suction hose attached to the wall to suck the snot out of your baby so he can breath. No no no no no!! STAY HOME!!!</p>
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		By: Dawn Sihlis		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/11/03/how-many-people-does-it-take-t/#comment-550136</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dawn Sihlis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am and have been quite the germaphobe for years. I have raised 5 children and all healthy to date.  When my first was born, she&#039;s 23 now.  I can still rememeber the day I took her home and had only three relatives at the house and they were poking and prodding my child.  I started balling and asked them to go home.  I spent countless hours a day cleaning and washing my hands until they were raw.  I did lighten up by the time my youngest was born (she&#039;s almost 11 now). At that time there was not an flu pandemic happening.(I guess I was a bit extreme) 

I think that we can&#039;t help if we are unfortunate to fall ill to H1N1, but we can do everything possible to minimize the risks.  I certainly would have no problem letting people know that I wasn&#039;t comfortable with company.  I think, if it is, so incredibly important that they come over, than I would mandate visitation only to those who have been vaccinated or had a confirmed case of H1N1 and had at least 3 weeks to have developed immunity to it.  I would also limit the numbers to those you feel it is important for your newborn to eventually build a life long relationship with.  Upon entering your home I would ask them to wear a mask and wash and sanitize their hands.  I would not allow them to hold the baby, just look at it. This seems extreme I know, but I think better to have the child around to have and hold later then to lose that incredible apportunity.  When children go through the oral fixation phase and start crawling around on the floor, that is indicative that thier bodies are ready to start building immunity to all kinds of viruses and infections.  Until that day comes, keep your child safe, you have an obligation to do that as a parent and being afraid of an uncomfortable situation that might hurt the feelings of others is really thier problem not yours.  

On another note, I have a friend who just had a baby.  She actually went to the hospital two weeks before she was due because she thought she might have H1N1.  Turned out she didn&#039;t have it, but she ended up needing an emergency C-section for another reason and had a healthy baby boy.  During that time it was our (Canadian) Thanksgiving and of course the whole family was excited to see that new baby.  She and the baby were quarantined until the test results came back negative and the family just had to accept that and they did.  There was a baby shower planned for the 14th of November and I just talked to her today and she informed me that the shower has been cancelled because it just isn&#039;t worth the risk.  I stand behind her decision 100%.

Good luck to you in dealing with the situation.  On Thanksgiving you and your husband and newborn should be thankful all by yourselves, have a great dinner.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am and have been quite the germaphobe for years. I have raised 5 children and all healthy to date.  When my first was born, she&#8217;s 23 now.  I can still rememeber the day I took her home and had only three relatives at the house and they were poking and prodding my child.  I started balling and asked them to go home.  I spent countless hours a day cleaning and washing my hands until they were raw.  I did lighten up by the time my youngest was born (she&#8217;s almost 11 now). At that time there was not an flu pandemic happening.(I guess I was a bit extreme) </p>
<p>I think that we can&#8217;t help if we are unfortunate to fall ill to H1N1, but we can do everything possible to minimize the risks.  I certainly would have no problem letting people know that I wasn&#8217;t comfortable with company.  I think, if it is, so incredibly important that they come over, than I would mandate visitation only to those who have been vaccinated or had a confirmed case of H1N1 and had at least 3 weeks to have developed immunity to it.  I would also limit the numbers to those you feel it is important for your newborn to eventually build a life long relationship with.  Upon entering your home I would ask them to wear a mask and wash and sanitize their hands.  I would not allow them to hold the baby, just look at it. This seems extreme I know, but I think better to have the child around to have and hold later then to lose that incredible apportunity.  When children go through the oral fixation phase and start crawling around on the floor, that is indicative that thier bodies are ready to start building immunity to all kinds of viruses and infections.  Until that day comes, keep your child safe, you have an obligation to do that as a parent and being afraid of an uncomfortable situation that might hurt the feelings of others is really thier problem not yours.  </p>
<p>On another note, I have a friend who just had a baby.  She actually went to the hospital two weeks before she was due because she thought she might have H1N1.  Turned out she didn&#8217;t have it, but she ended up needing an emergency C-section for another reason and had a healthy baby boy.  During that time it was our (Canadian) Thanksgiving and of course the whole family was excited to see that new baby.  She and the baby were quarantined until the test results came back negative and the family just had to accept that and they did.  There was a baby shower planned for the 14th of November and I just talked to her today and she informed me that the shower has been cancelled because it just isn&#8217;t worth the risk.  I stand behind her decision 100%.</p>
<p>Good luck to you in dealing with the situation.  On Thanksgiving you and your husband and newborn should be thankful all by yourselves, have a great dinner.</p>
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		By: Monado		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Monado]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, yeah. Flu particles can become airborne just from someone talking.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, yeah. Flu particles can become airborne just from someone talking.</p>
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		By: Monado		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/11/03/how-many-people-does-it-take-t/#comment-550134</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Monado]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Stay home, get rest, e-mail &#039;em baby pictures, insist that the paediatrician said to be cautious. You&#039;ll be exhausted. 

I also second breastfeeding if possible: it might be a little hard to get started, but its wonderful to have milk warm and ready without even getting out of bed or scrubbing bottles afterwards. Your contribution can be to get out of bed and bring the baby to mother. 

The La Leche League has experienced mothers who will share advice and experiences with new mothers and help them to breastfeed successfully.

One of the best things for new mothers is to have someone else take over for a few hours so they can sleep or take care of themselves; also to be taken out for a drive or walk and to see some adult faces. 

Best of luck to you all!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stay home, get rest, e-mail &#8217;em baby pictures, insist that the paediatrician said to be cautious. You&#8217;ll be exhausted. </p>
<p>I also second breastfeeding if possible: it might be a little hard to get started, but its wonderful to have milk warm and ready without even getting out of bed or scrubbing bottles afterwards. Your contribution can be to get out of bed and bring the baby to mother. </p>
<p>The La Leche League has experienced mothers who will share advice and experiences with new mothers and help them to breastfeed successfully.</p>
<p>One of the best things for new mothers is to have someone else take over for a few hours so they can sleep or take care of themselves; also to be taken out for a drive or walk and to see some adult faces. </p>
<p>Best of luck to you all!</p>
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		By: Stephanie Z		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephanie Z]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Enjoy a quiet holiday? It&#039;ll be the last one for a long time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enjoy a quiet holiday? It&#8217;ll be the last one for a long time.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Leni (and other who have said similar things):  Yes, absolutely.  In our case, relatives once informed of the situation immediately became pro-vaccine.  However, THEY RAN OUT OF VACCINE!!!!11!! 

So, what do we do now????]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leni (and other who have said similar things):  Yes, absolutely.  In our case, relatives once informed of the situation immediately became pro-vaccine.  However, THEY RAN OUT OF VACCINE!!!!11!! </p>
<p>So, what do we do now????</p>
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		By: Leni		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/11/03/how-many-people-does-it-take-t/#comment-550131</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leni]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I also like the idea of telling the unvaccinated to stay away. One of the consequences of that decision (assuming they aren&#039;t allergic or otherwise unable to get it, of course) is that they knowingly put others at risk.

And one of the consequences of putting other people at risk is that they aren&#039;t as nice to you as you might like them to be. 


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also like the idea of telling the unvaccinated to stay away. One of the consequences of that decision (assuming they aren&#8217;t allergic or otherwise unable to get it, of course) is that they knowingly put others at risk.</p>
<p>And one of the consequences of putting other people at risk is that they aren&#8217;t as nice to you as you might like them to be. </p>
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		By: Ter-Bear		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ter-Bear]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Also I forgot to comment that you and your wife should not go yourselves as well.  Weeks 1-2 you should consider your wife as &quot;recovering&quot;.  Also for each person you come in contact with, you become a potential disease carrier for your child.  I don&#039;t mean to put a barrier between you and society (that&#039;s just silly), but you should become more aware of who around you is sick.  You can not protect your baby from everything, but you can make the smart plays when it comes to intervening between you and your baby.  Hand sanitizer is a must this winter. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also I forgot to comment that you and your wife should not go yourselves as well.  Weeks 1-2 you should consider your wife as &#8220;recovering&#8221;.  Also for each person you come in contact with, you become a potential disease carrier for your child.  I don&#8217;t mean to put a barrier between you and society (that&#8217;s just silly), but you should become more aware of who around you is sick.  You can not protect your baby from everything, but you can make the smart plays when it comes to intervening between you and your baby.  Hand sanitizer is a must this winter. </p>
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		By: Ter-Bear		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/11/03/how-many-people-does-it-take-t/#comment-550129</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ter-Bear]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In no way should you and your newborn be expected to show.  Every person is a potential infection vector for your baby.  H1N1 and flu viruses can both be life threatening for your baby at its age.  The best thing you can do for it is have your wife get both flu and H1N1 vaccinations shortly after she has recovered from the pregnancy, and then BREASTFEED the baby so he/she can pick up the anti-bodies from the milk.  There are plenty of studies out there that show breastfeeding your kid reduces their chance of being sick for the first 6 months.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In no way should you and your newborn be expected to show.  Every person is a potential infection vector for your baby.  H1N1 and flu viruses can both be life threatening for your baby at its age.  The best thing you can do for it is have your wife get both flu and H1N1 vaccinations shortly after she has recovered from the pregnancy, and then BREASTFEED the baby so he/she can pick up the anti-bodies from the milk.  There are plenty of studies out there that show breastfeeding your kid reduces their chance of being sick for the first 6 months.</p>
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		By: wazza		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/11/03/how-many-people-does-it-take-t/#comment-550128</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wazza]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In my family, coming out for a baby generally seems to occur at about six months, and rather than being a big gathering, it takes more the form of a trip where the parents go and visit all the other relatives and grandmothers, great aunties and experienced aunties take care of the baby while they get a good night&#039;s sleep on the couch. Works for everyone and you can avoid risks on a case-by-case basis.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my family, coming out for a baby generally seems to occur at about six months, and rather than being a big gathering, it takes more the form of a trip where the parents go and visit all the other relatives and grandmothers, great aunties and experienced aunties take care of the baby while they get a good night&#8217;s sleep on the couch. Works for everyone and you can avoid risks on a case-by-case basis.</p>
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