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	Comments on: I am the angry left (Repost from last election season)	</title>
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		By: Anne Gilbert		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/11/01/i-am-the-angry-left-repost-fro/#comment-549997</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anne Gilbert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One of the biggest problems here is, the Democrats, and that seems to include Obama, haven&#039;t yet even begun to develop the spine necessary to resist this kind of stuff.  And believe me, this kind of &quot;stuff&quot; is still going on, in Congress and locally.  Just look at all the fuss over a &quot;public option&quot; in health care reform.  If the Democrats had a spine, this option would have been passed long ago.  And more.  At present, the Democrats as a whole seem to still have approximately the spine of a jellyfish, and the only way anybody can begin to do anything about this, is to hold your representatives and congresspeople&#039;s feet to the fire.  By voting.  And writing.  And protesting.  They may listen to Big Money most of the time, but if We The People start protesting loud enough, they will start listening to We The People.  Because they must, if they want to keep their jobs.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the biggest problems here is, the Democrats, and that seems to include Obama, haven&#8217;t yet even begun to develop the spine necessary to resist this kind of stuff.  And believe me, this kind of &#8220;stuff&#8221; is still going on, in Congress and locally.  Just look at all the fuss over a &#8220;public option&#8221; in health care reform.  If the Democrats had a spine, this option would have been passed long ago.  And more.  At present, the Democrats as a whole seem to still have approximately the spine of a jellyfish, and the only way anybody can begin to do anything about this, is to hold your representatives and congresspeople&#8217;s feet to the fire.  By voting.  And writing.  And protesting.  They may listen to Big Money most of the time, but if We The People start protesting loud enough, they will start listening to We The People.  Because they must, if they want to keep their jobs.<br />
Anne G</p>
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		By: D. C. Sessions		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[D. C. Sessions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 18:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;This is the most important election in our life time. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah -- between someone who not only supports all of the Bush administration&#039;s authoritarian ambitions but has gone a few steps further in one area where his opponent just &lt;b&gt;might&lt;/b&gt; have done the right thing -- torture.

Cue &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zydAs5bRW1U&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the music&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This is the most important election in our life time. </p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah &#8212; between someone who not only supports all of the Bush administration&#8217;s authoritarian ambitions but has gone a few steps further in one area where his opponent just <b>might</b> have done the right thing &#8212; torture.</p>
<p>Cue <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zydAs5bRW1U" rel="nofollow">the music</a>.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 13:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Do you think Minnesota would ever do that?  There&#039;s probably a reasonable chance. Certainly there are states that are fairly likely to do something like that (Mass, for instance) and then other states could see how it goes and then try it.

I think the rule should be that the last five states to go single payer have to give everything up.  Everything.  The rest of the states divide up all the resoures, we get to enslave the citizens, get their TV&#039;s, the  whole nine yards.  That will probably speed up the process once it starts rolling.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think Minnesota would ever do that?  There&#8217;s probably a reasonable chance. Certainly there are states that are fairly likely to do something like that (Mass, for instance) and then other states could see how it goes and then try it.</p>
<p>I think the rule should be that the last five states to go single payer have to give everything up.  Everything.  The rest of the states divide up all the resoures, we get to enslave the citizens, get their TV&#8217;s, the  whole nine yards.  That will probably speed up the process once it starts rolling.  </p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 13:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Do you think Minnesota would ever do that?  There&#039;s probably a reasonable chance. Certainly there are states that are fairly likely to do something like that (Mass, for instance) and then other states could see how it goes and then try it.

I think the rule should be that the last five states to go single payer have to give everything up.  Everything.  The rest of the states divide up all the resoures, we get to enslave the citizens, get their TV&#039;s, the  whole nine yards.  That will probably speed up the process once it starts rolling.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think Minnesota would ever do that?  There&#8217;s probably a reasonable chance. Certainly there are states that are fairly likely to do something like that (Mass, for instance) and then other states could see how it goes and then try it.</p>
<p>I think the rule should be that the last five states to go single payer have to give everything up.  Everything.  The rest of the states divide up all the resoures, we get to enslave the citizens, get their TV&#8217;s, the  whole nine yards.  That will probably speed up the process once it starts rolling.  </p>
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		By: Mike Haubrich, FCD		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Haubrich, FCD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 13:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have started by expressing to my Rep, Betty McCollum, and to the White House, for Dennis Kucinich&#039;s amendment to HF 3200 which would provide a way for states to produce and administer their own Single-Payer plans.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have started by expressing to my Rep, Betty McCollum, and to the White House, for Dennis Kucinich&#8217;s amendment to HF 3200 which would provide a way for states to produce and administer their own Single-Payer plans.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 13:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Make a list of liberal wants .... repeal of DADT, health care reform, etc. etc.

Arrange the items on the list into two or three categories depending on what can be more or less unilaterally done vs. done only with a great deal of negotiation and fighting with no great guarantee of success.

Also, note the relationship between support/opposition on one item and another.  E.G. you could get all  the fundies to go along with an AGW proposal before you force them to pay taxes on their churches, but not after.  (Hypothetical examples there, of course).

Now, strategies.  Of the list of items liberals and progressives are screaming about, almost  everyone will knock off one or two senators and three or four reps from HCR.  If you want heatlh care reform, do it first, do it as completely as possible, and don&#039;t let every other issue get in the way.  Seriously.  

Maybe. 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Make a list of liberal wants &#8230;. repeal of DADT, health care reform, etc. etc.</p>
<p>Arrange the items on the list into two or three categories depending on what can be more or less unilaterally done vs. done only with a great deal of negotiation and fighting with no great guarantee of success.</p>
<p>Also, note the relationship between support/opposition on one item and another.  E.G. you could get all  the fundies to go along with an AGW proposal before you force them to pay taxes on their churches, but not after.  (Hypothetical examples there, of course).</p>
<p>Now, strategies.  Of the list of items liberals and progressives are screaming about, almost  everyone will knock off one or two senators and three or four reps from HCR.  If you want heatlh care reform, do it first, do it as completely as possible, and don&#8217;t let every other issue get in the way.  Seriously.  </p>
<p>Maybe. </p>
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		By: Mike Haubrich, FCD		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/11/01/i-am-the-angry-left-repost-fro/#comment-549991</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Haubrich, FCD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 12:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Since the Big Victory Party in &#039;08 I have actually become more angry in that the support that we leftists gave to the Democrats is now being taken for granted; while Obama and the Blue Dogs appease the losers from last year.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the Big Victory Party in &#8217;08 I have actually become more angry in that the support that we leftists gave to the Democrats is now being taken for granted; while Obama and the Blue Dogs appease the losers from last year.</p>
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