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		By: Arnold		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/10/20/does-freezing-a-non-responsive/#comment-548695</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Arnold]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 06:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t have any experience of freezing Mac drive instead i could trust on Mac Recovery tool like Stellar Phoenix Mac Recovery software which i used is quite efficient and helpful in recovering deleted files, complete drive or just the files you want to recover.Great Mac File Recovery tool

http://www.macintosh-data-recovery.com/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have any experience of freezing Mac drive instead i could trust on Mac Recovery tool like Stellar Phoenix Mac Recovery software which i used is quite efficient and helpful in recovering deleted files, complete drive or just the files you want to recover.Great Mac File Recovery tool</p>
<p><a href="http://www.macintosh-data-recovery.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.macintosh-data-recovery.com/</a></p>
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		By: peter		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[mac os user data is kept in /Users/[username]/...

the /usr and /home directories are there, but largely unused by the upper level mac os. 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mac os user data is kept in /Users/[username]/&#8230;</p>
<p>the /usr and /home directories are there, but largely unused by the upper level mac os. </p>
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		By: Paul Hutch		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/10/20/does-freezing-a-non-responsive/#comment-548693</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Hutch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tim @ 28,

SpinRite does it by not giving up trying as quickly as an OS or file system utility will.

Sometimes trying more times will get that one good enough read that lets the data be moved to a good area of the disk. SpinRite takes this to the extreme, in some situations it will try for weeks and finally succeed in making the drive readable. You then will have one last shot to get the data off and hopefully the weeks of anxiety will drive home the lessen to backup your data.

Myself and the IT guy at work have never had it take more than 4 days and it has worked in better than half of the times we have used it. We&#039;ve never used it for our own or company data because it is easier to just restore from the backups. Our usage has always been for co-workers, family and friends home PC&#039;s. The usual scenario is the drive crashes and it has data that is not backed up anywhere. The data isn&#039;t worth the $500.00 to $1500.00 it costs for a clean room repair so at that point there is nothing to lose.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim @ 28,</p>
<p>SpinRite does it by not giving up trying as quickly as an OS or file system utility will.</p>
<p>Sometimes trying more times will get that one good enough read that lets the data be moved to a good area of the disk. SpinRite takes this to the extreme, in some situations it will try for weeks and finally succeed in making the drive readable. You then will have one last shot to get the data off and hopefully the weeks of anxiety will drive home the lessen to backup your data.</p>
<p>Myself and the IT guy at work have never had it take more than 4 days and it has worked in better than half of the times we have used it. We&#8217;ve never used it for our own or company data because it is easier to just restore from the backups. Our usage has always been for co-workers, family and friends home PC&#8217;s. The usual scenario is the drive crashes and it has data that is not backed up anywhere. The data isn&#8217;t worth the $500.00 to $1500.00 it costs for a clean room repair so at that point there is nothing to lose.</p>
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		By: Wyatt		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/10/20/does-freezing-a-non-responsive/#comment-548692</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wyatt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[22: have a filename for a file you know is there ready to enter as a search term.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>22: have a filename for a file you know is there ready to enter as a search term.  </p>
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		By: Tim		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/10/20/does-freezing-a-non-responsive/#comment-548691</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t understand how a piece of software like SpinRite can make a hard drive do something (work, read data) that a run of the mill system can&#039;t make it do. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand how a piece of software like SpinRite can make a hard drive do something (work, read data) that a run of the mill system can&#8217;t make it do. </p>
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		By: Paul Hutch		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/10/20/does-freezing-a-non-responsive/#comment-548690</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Hutch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A couple of points I should have made in my previous comment.

First, SpinRite is a last resort when you are not willing to spend hundreds of dollars on professional clean room recovery. As you noticed Greg, it writes back to the disk so under worst case scenarios it can take a drive that may have been recoverable for $1000.00 and make it unrecoverable at any price.

Second SpinRite comes with a 30-day absolute satisfaction guarantee so if you don&#039;t like it you get a refund. http://www.grc.com/cs/licenseinfo.htm

So, if your at the point of giving up because nothing else works (e.g. ddrescue can&#039;t read the drive), SpinRite gives you one last out before tossing it in the trash and facing lost data.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of points I should have made in my previous comment.</p>
<p>First, SpinRite is a last resort when you are not willing to spend hundreds of dollars on professional clean room recovery. As you noticed Greg, it writes back to the disk so under worst case scenarios it can take a drive that may have been recoverable for $1000.00 and make it unrecoverable at any price.</p>
<p>Second SpinRite comes with a 30-day absolute satisfaction guarantee so if you don&#8217;t like it you get a refund. <a href="http://www.grc.com/cs/licenseinfo.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.grc.com/cs/licenseinfo.htm</a></p>
<p>So, if your at the point of giving up because nothing else works (e.g. ddrescue can&#8217;t read the drive), SpinRite gives you one last out before tossing it in the trash and facing lost data.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t like the fact that spinrite writes to the disk under repair as opposed to some other filespace.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like the fact that spinrite writes to the disk under repair as opposed to some other filespace.  </p>
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		By: Treppenwitz		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/10/20/does-freezing-a-non-responsive/#comment-548688</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Treppenwitz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Geek Squad stuff&lt;/blockquote&gt;

They don&#039;t do HDD recovery in-store, so it wouldn&#039;t be surprising if in-store employees couldn&#039;t answer questions about the recovery process itself, especially since so few people ask followup questions after finding out the cost.  I worked there for about a year, and I can count on one hand the number of people who didn&#039;t (justifiably) balk at the cost.

&lt;blockquote&gt;SpinRite by Gibson Research&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I don&#039;t have any personal experience with SpinRite, but the consensus on the tech forums I read seems to be that Steve Gibson is a crank.  That said, although Gibson overhypes the program, it apparently does work.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.lunarsoft.net/wiki/Data_Recovery#Spinrite&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mostly&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Geek Squad stuff</p></blockquote>
<p>They don&#8217;t do HDD recovery in-store, so it wouldn&#8217;t be surprising if in-store employees couldn&#8217;t answer questions about the recovery process itself, especially since so few people ask followup questions after finding out the cost.  I worked there for about a year, and I can count on one hand the number of people who didn&#8217;t (justifiably) balk at the cost.</p>
<blockquote><p>SpinRite by Gibson Research</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t have any personal experience with SpinRite, but the consensus on the tech forums I read seems to be that Steve Gibson is a crank.  That said, although Gibson overhypes the program, it apparently does work.  <a href="http://wiki.lunarsoft.net/wiki/Data_Recovery#Spinrite" rel="nofollow">Mostly</a>.</p>
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		By: Ian Tindale		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/10/20/does-freezing-a-non-responsive/#comment-548687</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian Tindale]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[But a standard ubuntu install can read an HFS+ drive - which is nice.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But a standard ubuntu install can read an HFS+ drive &#8211; which is nice.</p>
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		By: Ian Tindale		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian Tindale]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My mac&#039;s root looks like this (probably an untabbed mess):

iktmacbook:~ ian$ ls -l /
total 36517
drwxrwxr-x+ 103 root  admin      3502 20 Oct 19:37 Applications
drwxrwxr-x@  16 root  admin       544 16 Jun 08:52 Developer
drwxrwxr-t+  66 root  admin      2244 17 Oct 14:33 Library
drwxr-xr-x@   2 root  wheel        68 23 Jun 07:19 Network
drwxr-xr-x    4 root  wheel       136 17 Oct 14:12 System
lrwxr-xr-x    1 root  admin        60 28 Mar  2008 User Guides And Information -&gt; /Library/Documentation/User Guides and Information.localized
drwxr-xr-x    8 root  admin       272 17 Oct 14:23 Users
drwxrwxrwt@   6 root  admin       204 20 Oct 19:38 Volumes
drwxr-xr-x@  39 root  wheel      1326 17 Oct 14:10 bin
drwxrwxr-t@   2 root  admin        68 23 Jun 07:19 cores
dr-xr-xr-x    3 root  wheel      4344 20 Oct 12:37 dev
lrwxr-xr-x@   1 root  wheel        11 17 Oct 14:10 etc -&gt; private/etc
dr-xr-xr-x    2 root  wheel         1 20 Oct 12:37 home
-rw-r--r--@   1 root  wheel  18672224  1 Aug 06:49 mach_kernel
dr-xr-xr-x    2 root  wheel         1 20 Oct 12:37 net
drwxr-xr-x@   6 root  wheel       204 17 Oct 14:23 private
drwxr-xr-x@  64 root  wheel      2176 17 Oct 14:10 sbin
lrwxr-xr-x@   1 root  wheel        11 17 Oct 14:10 tmp -&gt; private/tmp
drwxr-xr-x@  12 root  wheel       408 17 Oct 14:33 usr
lrwxr-xr-x@   1 root  wheel        11 17 Oct 14:10 var -&gt; private/var

Users is the equivalent of the linux &#039;home&#039; dir. The filesystem isn&#039;t like a linux one though - it&#039;s HFS+. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mac&#8217;s root looks like this (probably an untabbed mess):</p>
<p>iktmacbook:~ ian$ ls -l /<br />
total 36517<br />
drwxrwxr-x+ 103 root  admin      3502 20 Oct 19:37 Applications<br />
drwxrwxr-x@  16 root  admin       544 16 Jun 08:52 Developer<br />
drwxrwxr-t+  66 root  admin      2244 17 Oct 14:33 Library<br />
drwxr-xr-x@   2 root  wheel        68 23 Jun 07:19 Network<br />
drwxr-xr-x    4 root  wheel       136 17 Oct 14:12 System<br />
lrwxr-xr-x    1 root  admin        60 28 Mar  2008 User Guides And Information -> /Library/Documentation/User Guides and Information.localized<br />
drwxr-xr-x    8 root  admin       272 17 Oct 14:23 Users<br />
drwxrwxrwt@   6 root  admin       204 20 Oct 19:38 Volumes<br />
drwxr-xr-x@  39 root  wheel      1326 17 Oct 14:10 bin<br />
drwxrwxr-t@   2 root  admin        68 23 Jun 07:19 cores<br />
dr-xr-xr-x    3 root  wheel      4344 20 Oct 12:37 dev<br />
lrwxr-xr-x@   1 root  wheel        11 17 Oct 14:10 etc -> private/etc<br />
dr-xr-xr-x    2 root  wheel         1 20 Oct 12:37 home<br />
-rw-r&#8211;r&#8211;@   1 root  wheel  18672224  1 Aug 06:49 mach_kernel<br />
dr-xr-xr-x    2 root  wheel         1 20 Oct 12:37 net<br />
drwxr-xr-x@   6 root  wheel       204 17 Oct 14:23 private<br />
drwxr-xr-x@  64 root  wheel      2176 17 Oct 14:10 sbin<br />
lrwxr-xr-x@   1 root  wheel        11 17 Oct 14:10 tmp -> private/tmp<br />
drwxr-xr-x@  12 root  wheel       408 17 Oct 14:33 usr<br />
lrwxr-xr-x@   1 root  wheel        11 17 Oct 14:10 var -> private/var</p>
<p>Users is the equivalent of the linux &#8216;home&#8217; dir. The filesystem isn&#8217;t like a linux one though &#8211; it&#8217;s HFS+. </p>
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