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	Comments on: DuWayne Brayton: We should all eschew the rejection of the other as your subaltern, even if only by accident.	</title>
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		By: JefFlyingV		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You should be able to purchase Live and Let Die trade paperback, for around 5 bucks at the half price bookstore franchise used book store. If you go internet Yahoo you&#039;ll get screwed everytime.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should be able to purchase Live and Let Die trade paperback, for around 5 bucks at the half price bookstore franchise used book store. If you go internet Yahoo you&#8217;ll get screwed everytime.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just keep checking the used market, this book gets assigned a lot as a text.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just keep checking the used market, this book gets assigned a lot as a text.</p>
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		By: DuWayne		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/10/13/duwayne-brayton-eschew-the-rej/#comment-548349</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DuWayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Holy crap, that is an expensive book...Not a text book, not new and NO copies for under twenty bones.

I am trying to remember why I have picked that up, but I am pretty sure I got it from the library once.  It will have to wait until next semester - there was one copy at $19.99, but that was only &quot;acceptable&quot; condition, which in my experience usually means &quot;beat to hell.&quot;  Not that I have time to read it now anyways - I have two of the recommendations from your colleague on the brain thread and little enough time for pleasure reading (though I am considering working neuro-evo into a topic for my psych paper this semester)...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy crap, that is an expensive book&#8230;Not a text book, not new and NO copies for under twenty bones.</p>
<p>I am trying to remember why I have picked that up, but I am pretty sure I got it from the library once.  It will have to wait until next semester &#8211; there was one copy at $19.99, but that was only &#8220;acceptable&#8221; condition, which in my experience usually means &#8220;beat to hell.&#8221;  Not that I have time to read it now anyways &#8211; I have two of the recommendations from your colleague on the brain thread and little enough time for pleasure reading (though I am considering working neuro-evo into a topic for my psych paper this semester)&#8230;</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[DuWayne.  Nice post.  Read this: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0415906873?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=wwwgregladenc-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0415906873&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mimesis and Alterity: A Particular History of the Senses&lt;/a&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=wwwgregladenc-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0415906873&quot; width=&quot;1&quot; height=&quot;1&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; style=&quot;border:none !important; margin:0px !important;&quot; /&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DuWayne.  Nice post.  Read this: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0415906873?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=wwwgregladenc-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=0415906873" rel="nofollow">Mimesis and Alterity: A Particular History of the Senses</a><img src="https://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=wwwgregladenc-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=0415906873" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" /></p>
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		By: DuWayne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DuWayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This has now spawned my &lt;a href=&quot;http://debrayton.blogspot.com/2009/10/labels-and-other.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;shortest post ever...&lt;/a&gt;I didn&#039;t know I could be so short winded.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has now spawned my <a href="http://debrayton.blogspot.com/2009/10/labels-and-other.html" rel="nofollow">shortest post ever&#8230;</a>I didn&#8217;t know I could be so short winded.</p>
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		By: Joshua Zelinsky		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joshua Zelinsky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I used to think that the entire thing about the use of &quot;articulate&quot; as a racially charged term was ridiculous. Then I read &lt;i&gt;Live and Let Die&lt;/i&gt; and completely changed my position. Anyone who thinks otherwise should just read Fleming&#039;s description of black people and one sees immediately why this is a reasonable concern. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to think that the entire thing about the use of &#8220;articulate&#8221; as a racially charged term was ridiculous. Then I read <i>Live and Let Die</i> and completely changed my position. Anyone who thinks otherwise should just read Fleming&#8217;s description of black people and one sees immediately why this is a reasonable concern. </p>
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		By: Coriolis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coriolis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Without knowing all the previous discussion, in this argument by itself I think you&#039;re trying to keep this a bit too simple.

In principle one can do the study of chance to get shot while having a gun vs. chance without having a gun in a number of different situations (different cities, countries, etc.), and the results could very well be different. It could be different cultural norms, different reasons why people would have guns, etc. One could easily imagine that in a society where the main reason you have a gun is being a criminal would lead to much better correlation between having a gun and getting shot as opposed to a society where many people hunt with guns. 

In both cases, it could simply be that the correlations that you found in one culture does not apply to another, and someone might correctly claim that. 

I remember recently I read about a study done on a isolated society in (if I remember right) Madagascar. They found that children of women with many partners were more likely to survive than those that didn&#039;t. Which is opposite of the standard &quot;explanation&quot; of western cultural norms where we assume that for men being promiscuous is &quot;naturally&quot; advantageous whereas for women it is better to find a steady man. 

Of course that&#039;s not to say that the inherent &quot;but I&#039;m special&quot; thinking doesn&#039;t exist (it certainly does), but there are other reasons to think that the conclusions of a certain study do or don&#039;t apply to your own situation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without knowing all the previous discussion, in this argument by itself I think you&#8217;re trying to keep this a bit too simple.</p>
<p>In principle one can do the study of chance to get shot while having a gun vs. chance without having a gun in a number of different situations (different cities, countries, etc.), and the results could very well be different. It could be different cultural norms, different reasons why people would have guns, etc. One could easily imagine that in a society where the main reason you have a gun is being a criminal would lead to much better correlation between having a gun and getting shot as opposed to a society where many people hunt with guns. </p>
<p>In both cases, it could simply be that the correlations that you found in one culture does not apply to another, and someone might correctly claim that. </p>
<p>I remember recently I read about a study done on a isolated society in (if I remember right) Madagascar. They found that children of women with many partners were more likely to survive than those that didn&#8217;t. Which is opposite of the standard &#8220;explanation&#8221; of western cultural norms where we assume that for men being promiscuous is &#8220;naturally&#8221; advantageous whereas for women it is better to find a steady man. </p>
<p>Of course that&#8217;s not to say that the inherent &#8220;but I&#8217;m special&#8221; thinking doesn&#8217;t exist (it certainly does), but there are other reasons to think that the conclusions of a certain study do or don&#8217;t apply to your own situation.</p>
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		By: daedalus2u		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[daedalus2u]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When we were trying to get pregnant, my ex would use pregnancy tests like they were going out of style, every day when there might be a hint of a possible positive result.  Even before her period was due.  Many of those tests were quite hard to read, a slight color change, but not a clear positive.  Once we saw what a true &quot;positive&quot; was, it was pretty easy to tell that the others had not been true positives.  

I certainly knew how to do the test right, my ex could certainly read the instructions properly and follow them correctly, she simply couldn&#039;t wait until the proper time.  Easily 3/4 of the tests she used were done improperly because they were done too soon.  It had nothing to do with being &quot;dumb&quot;.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When we were trying to get pregnant, my ex would use pregnancy tests like they were going out of style, every day when there might be a hint of a possible positive result.  Even before her period was due.  Many of those tests were quite hard to read, a slight color change, but not a clear positive.  Once we saw what a true &#8220;positive&#8221; was, it was pretty easy to tell that the others had not been true positives.  </p>
<p>I certainly knew how to do the test right, my ex could certainly read the instructions properly and follow them correctly, she simply couldn&#8217;t wait until the proper time.  Easily 3/4 of the tests she used were done improperly because they were done too soon.  It had nothing to do with being &#8220;dumb&#8221;.  </p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;You have, to my recollection, never said anything that was dumb.&lt;/em&gt;

Ha!  You should listen more closely!!!

But seriously, no, I don&#039;t think including cops as cops is good. If there was such a thing as a person who has a job as a cop but was a civilian without any copiness in the sample that would be a tough call, but it would have to be someone on vacation or something. 

It&#039;s a little like looking at driving skills and including what happens over on the race track at the same time you are doing your study.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>You have, to my recollection, never said anything that was dumb.</em></p>
<p>Ha!  You should listen more closely!!!</p>
<p>But seriously, no, I don&#8217;t think including cops as cops is good. If there was such a thing as a person who has a job as a cop but was a civilian without any copiness in the sample that would be a tough call, but it would have to be someone on vacation or something. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a little like looking at driving skills and including what happens over on the race track at the same time you are doing your study.  </p>
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		By: DuWayne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DuWayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was honestly not trying to be a jerk.  I also don&#039;t think your statement was dumb, I just happen to disagree.  I was really just wondering, because in the thread that originated this whole debacle, there were people who said things that would imply that including cops would be valid.  

I am one of those people.  I don&#039;t think it is valid, but I can see why one would say that it is.  I asked more as a measure of consistency than anything else.

Seriously though - I really do not think that your position is dumb.  You have often said things I do not agree with.  You have also said things that annoy me, or even make me rather angry.  You have said things that make me think - whether I ultimately come to agree with you or not.  And of course you have said many things that I agree with completely.

You have, to my recollection, never said anything that was dumb.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was honestly not trying to be a jerk.  I also don&#8217;t think your statement was dumb, I just happen to disagree.  I was really just wondering, because in the thread that originated this whole debacle, there were people who said things that would imply that including cops would be valid.  </p>
<p>I am one of those people.  I don&#8217;t think it is valid, but I can see why one would say that it is.  I asked more as a measure of consistency than anything else.</p>
<p>Seriously though &#8211; I really do not think that your position is dumb.  You have often said things I do not agree with.  You have also said things that annoy me, or even make me rather angry.  You have said things that make me think &#8211; whether I ultimately come to agree with you or not.  And of course you have said many things that I agree with completely.</p>
<p>You have, to my recollection, never said anything that was dumb.</p>
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