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	Comments on: Global warming and the Minnesota Moose. Part IIa	</title>
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		By: Jake		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/10/04/global-warming-and-the-minneso-1/#comment-547531</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jake]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 18:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gerard was using january averages. Not all year averages... Do you really think the average high Minnesota january temp is close to 50 degrees F? yeah right i dont think so. Maybe inside your house...  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gerard was using january averages. Not all year averages&#8230; Do you really think the average high Minnesota january temp is close to 50 degrees F? yeah right i dont think so. Maybe inside your house&#8230;  </p>
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		By: Bruce		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/10/04/global-warming-and-the-minneso-1/#comment-547530</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Oct 2010 16:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Example of cherry-picking:
Interesting that the JAXA sea-ice graph that Dan links to does not show how sea ice is 3-4 standard deviations below the average of the preceding 2 decades, as shown at this  &lt;b&gt;National Snow and Ice Data Center&lt;/b&gt; link:
http://nsidc.org/news/press/20101004_minimumpr.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Example of cherry-picking:<br />
Interesting that the JAXA sea-ice graph that Dan links to does not show how sea ice is 3-4 standard deviations below the average of the preceding 2 decades, as shown at this  <b>National Snow and Ice Data Center</b> link:<br />
<a href="http://nsidc.org/news/press/20101004_minimumpr.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://nsidc.org/news/press/20101004_minimumpr.html</a></p>
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		By: Bruce		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/10/04/global-warming-and-the-minneso-1/#comment-547529</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Oct 2010 16:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As soon as Dan writes &lt;i&gt;&quot;trend of average global temperatures &lt;b&gt;since 1998&lt;/b&gt;&quot;&lt;/i&gt;, I know he&#039;s cherry-picking the data. That throws any cites he makes into disrepute.  I&#039;d love for global warming to be proven wrong, but cherry-picking won&#039;t do it.

Warm globally, watch locally. It&#039;s definitely trending warmer in my neck of the woods.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As soon as Dan writes <i>&#8220;trend of average global temperatures <b>since 1998</b>&#8220;</i>, I know he&#8217;s cherry-picking the data. That throws any cites he makes into disrepute.  I&#8217;d love for global warming to be proven wrong, but cherry-picking won&#8217;t do it.</p>
<p>Warm globally, watch locally. It&#8217;s definitely trending warmer in my neck of the woods.</p>
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		By: Deen		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/10/04/global-warming-and-the-minneso-1/#comment-547528</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I really hope Moe is a Poe...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really hope Moe is a Poe&#8230;</p>
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		By: Moe Ron		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/10/04/global-warming-and-the-minneso-1/#comment-547527</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Moe Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think that the current cold snap we are having in the Upper Midwest is clear proof that we need not worry about global warming. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the current cold snap we are having in the Upper Midwest is clear proof that we need not worry about global warming. </p>
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		By: Uncommon Sense		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/10/04/global-warming-and-the-minneso-1/#comment-547526</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Uncommon Sense]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The whole problem with Global Warming is that Fmr. Democratic V.P. Al Gore made it his cause.

That is it in a nutshell.

The more Al pressed the subject, the more resistance comes from the right.

What? Scientists building a concensus? Well, don&#039;t worry. Scientists come in Democrat and Republican flavors as well. Surely there will be quite a few that won&#039;t be able to swallow the ol&#039; Gore pill since it tastes like Democrat.

Don&#039;t fool yourselves. Don&#039;t lie to yourselves or others. The sublect of Global Warming is a Political one, thus it is subject to factual accuracy of any and all other political arguments.

After all, the goal is to win... no matter what.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole problem with Global Warming is that Fmr. Democratic V.P. Al Gore made it his cause.</p>
<p>That is it in a nutshell.</p>
<p>The more Al pressed the subject, the more resistance comes from the right.</p>
<p>What? Scientists building a concensus? Well, don&#8217;t worry. Scientists come in Democrat and Republican flavors as well. Surely there will be quite a few that won&#8217;t be able to swallow the ol&#8217; Gore pill since it tastes like Democrat.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t fool yourselves. Don&#8217;t lie to yourselves or others. The sublect of Global Warming is a Political one, thus it is subject to factual accuracy of any and all other political arguments.</p>
<p>After all, the goal is to win&#8230; no matter what.</p>
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		By: bob koepp		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/10/04/global-warming-and-the-minneso-1/#comment-547525</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bob koepp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 13:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[umm, did you notice that the data Gerard proffered was just for the month of January?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>umm, did you notice that the data Gerard proffered was just for the month of January?</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/10/04/global-warming-and-the-minneso-1/#comment-547524</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 13:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dan:  Sorry, your comment was in moderation because of the links, but now it is free!

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan:  Sorry, your comment was in moderation because of the links, but now it is free!</p>
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		By: Dan Pangburn		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/10/04/global-warming-and-the-minneso-1/#comment-547523</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Pangburn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 11:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anything is possible if you donâ??t know what you are talking about. It is unfortunate that so many bloggers have no ability and may even lack the interest to do their own research on the planetâ??s climate. As a result they have no basis to challenge the highly politicized claims of many and often resort to ad hominem attacks. 

I have an MSc in Mechanical Engineering and have been researching the global warming issue for thousands of hours for over two years. I have determined that atmospheric carbon dioxide has no significant influence on average global temperature and that a time-integral of sunspots correlates with the observed average global temperatures. My findings are presented and links to the source data are provided so anyone can verify what I have done. Although I only use data of highest quality, I still compare the data from various agencies when possible and sometimes just average them to avoid bias.

Arctic sea ice is not disappearing. Arctic sea ice area has actually increased the last couple of years and is currently about at the middle of the range that it has had for the last seven years. A multi-year daily-updated graph is shown at http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm . As this graph clearly shows the Arctic ice is NOT disappearing.

Climate Scientists with their faulty computer programs got it wrong. The real message from measured data is that the temperature has stopped increasing and the trend is now down. The average global temperature is below the lowest that was predicted by the Climate Scientists and their twenty or so Global Climate models. One problem is that Climate Scientists apparently do not understand the science that, with paleo temperature data, shows that there is no significant net positive feedback from average global temperature. This science is well understood by some engineers who have exploited it in many common practical devices. It is described further in one of the pdfs at http://climaterealists.com/index.php?tid=145&amp;linkbox=true . Without net positive feedback there is no human caused global warming. Without human caused global warming there is no human caused climate change. The other pdf at this site shows the sunspot assessment. Any activity to reduce atmospheric carbon dioxide to reduce climate change is a mistake that reduces freedom and prosperity. 

Since 2000, atmospheric carbon dioxide has increased by an amount equal to 18.8% of the increase from 1800 to 2000. According to the average of the five reporting agencies, the trend of average global temperatures since 1998 shows no increase and from 2002 through 2008 the trend shows a DECREASE of 1.8Â°C/century. This SEPARATION has been increasing at an average rate of about 2% per year since 2000. It corroborates the lack of connection between atmospheric carbon dioxide increase and average global temperature. The annual average global temperature anomalies and links to the five reporting agencies are given in one of my posts at http://www.celsias.com/article/global-deal-climate-changes-new-era/ . Another post there gives links to several others that refute AGW using different methodology. As the atmospheric carbon dioxide level continues to increase and the average global temperature doesnâ??t it is becoming more and more apparent that many climate scientists have made an egregious mistake and a whole lot of people have been misled.

The sun has been very quiet for over 31 months. It has not been this quiet this long since 1913. Seventy three of the last 86 days (as of Oct 4, 2009) have been sunspot free. Numerical data for the last 30 days are provided at http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/ftpdir/latest/DSD.txt  SESC sunspot number is calculated the same way as Wolf number. The Little Ice Age and other periods of reduced average global temperature coincide with few sunspots. Sunspot changes appear to be a â??catalystâ?? for cloud changes and therefore have much greater influence on average earth temperature than total solar irradiance (TSI).
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anything is possible if you donâ??t know what you are talking about. It is unfortunate that so many bloggers have no ability and may even lack the interest to do their own research on the planetâ??s climate. As a result they have no basis to challenge the highly politicized claims of many and often resort to ad hominem attacks. </p>
<p>I have an MSc in Mechanical Engineering and have been researching the global warming issue for thousands of hours for over two years. I have determined that atmospheric carbon dioxide has no significant influence on average global temperature and that a time-integral of sunspots correlates with the observed average global temperatures. My findings are presented and links to the source data are provided so anyone can verify what I have done. Although I only use data of highest quality, I still compare the data from various agencies when possible and sometimes just average them to avoid bias.</p>
<p>Arctic sea ice is not disappearing. Arctic sea ice area has actually increased the last couple of years and is currently about at the middle of the range that it has had for the last seven years. A multi-year daily-updated graph is shown at <a href="http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm</a> . As this graph clearly shows the Arctic ice is NOT disappearing.</p>
<p>Climate Scientists with their faulty computer programs got it wrong. The real message from measured data is that the temperature has stopped increasing and the trend is now down. The average global temperature is below the lowest that was predicted by the Climate Scientists and their twenty or so Global Climate models. One problem is that Climate Scientists apparently do not understand the science that, with paleo temperature data, shows that there is no significant net positive feedback from average global temperature. This science is well understood by some engineers who have exploited it in many common practical devices. It is described further in one of the pdfs at <a href="http://climaterealists.com/index.php?tid=145&#038;linkbox=true" rel="nofollow ugc">http://climaterealists.com/index.php?tid=145&#038;linkbox=true</a> . Without net positive feedback there is no human caused global warming. Without human caused global warming there is no human caused climate change. The other pdf at this site shows the sunspot assessment. Any activity to reduce atmospheric carbon dioxide to reduce climate change is a mistake that reduces freedom and prosperity. </p>
<p>Since 2000, atmospheric carbon dioxide has increased by an amount equal to 18.8% of the increase from 1800 to 2000. According to the average of the five reporting agencies, the trend of average global temperatures since 1998 shows no increase and from 2002 through 2008 the trend shows a DECREASE of 1.8Â°C/century. This SEPARATION has been increasing at an average rate of about 2% per year since 2000. It corroborates the lack of connection between atmospheric carbon dioxide increase and average global temperature. The annual average global temperature anomalies and links to the five reporting agencies are given in one of my posts at <a href="http://www.celsias.com/article/global-deal-climate-changes-new-era/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.celsias.com/article/global-deal-climate-changes-new-era/</a> . Another post there gives links to several others that refute AGW using different methodology. As the atmospheric carbon dioxide level continues to increase and the average global temperature doesnâ??t it is becoming more and more apparent that many climate scientists have made an egregious mistake and a whole lot of people have been misled.</p>
<p>The sun has been very quiet for over 31 months. It has not been this quiet this long since 1913. Seventy three of the last 86 days (as of Oct 4, 2009) have been sunspot free. Numerical data for the last 30 days are provided at <a href="http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/ftpdir/latest/DSD.txt" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/ftpdir/latest/DSD.txt</a>  SESC sunspot number is calculated the same way as Wolf number. The Little Ice Age and other periods of reduced average global temperature coincide with few sunspots. Sunspot changes appear to be a â??catalystâ?? for cloud changes and therefore have much greater influence on average earth temperature than total solar irradiance (TSI).</p>
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		By: Enoch		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/10/04/global-warming-and-the-minneso-1/#comment-547522</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Enoch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 11:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think mr AGWD will not be back to defend himself because he has clearly been pwned. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think mr AGWD will not be back to defend himself because he has clearly been pwned. </p>
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