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		By: rpsms		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/10/04/bachmann-and-punk-christians/#comment-547466</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In the words of Bart Simpson: &quot;Everyone knows all the best bands are affiliated with Satan&quot;]]></description>
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		By: Etcetera		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/10/04/bachmann-and-punk-christians/#comment-547465</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 23:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They&#039;re claiming that &quot;blue and white helicopters&quot; regularly make threatening dive-bombing gestures at them while they&#039;re en route to Republican conventions. 

Seriously ? ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re claiming that &#8220;blue and white helicopters&#8221; regularly make threatening dive-bombing gestures at them while they&#8217;re en route to Republican conventions. </p>
<p>Seriously ? </p>
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		By: jj		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Don&#039;t confuse being straight edge with being Christian&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yeah, I agree, the two are NOT the same, but the Christians have co-opted the &#039;style&#039; of straight edge, which is something that christianity does well.  
&lt;blockquote&gt;Does anyone have any evidence that this assemblies have any useful effect on kids?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
In my opinion, no.  At leased not with high-school aged.  Most high schoolers already have at leased started to realize what their beliefs are, and I think something like this only makes those who have already been absorbed into the christian view  feel that there is something &#039;cool&#039; about it.  That&#039;s my opinion, based off my experiences in high school (graduated in 03, so it wasn&#039;t that long ago).  Granted I was never in the &#039;religious&#039; crowd...

Christian rock has been around for a long time.  Never are considered legitimate artists, luckily (with the exception of bands like Creed, that came on the scene as new-aged rock band [horrible], that later showed their true colors).  One of my favorite parodies, is the South Park where Cartman starts a christian rock band to try to go platinum, only to find that christian albums can only go frankincense and myrrh    


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Don&#8217;t confuse being straight edge with being Christian</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, I agree, the two are NOT the same, but the Christians have co-opted the &#8216;style&#8217; of straight edge, which is something that christianity does well.  </p>
<blockquote><p>Does anyone have any evidence that this assemblies have any useful effect on kids?</p></blockquote>
<p>In my opinion, no.  At leased not with high-school aged.  Most high schoolers already have at leased started to realize what their beliefs are, and I think something like this only makes those who have already been absorbed into the christian view  feel that there is something &#8216;cool&#8217; about it.  That&#8217;s my opinion, based off my experiences in high school (graduated in 03, so it wasn&#8217;t that long ago).  Granted I was never in the &#8216;religious&#8217; crowd&#8230;</p>
<p>Christian rock has been around for a long time.  Never are considered legitimate artists, luckily (with the exception of bands like Creed, that came on the scene as new-aged rock band [horrible], that later showed their true colors).  One of my favorite parodies, is the South Park where Cartman starts a christian rock band to try to go platinum, only to find that christian albums can only go frankincense and myrrh    </p>
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		By: katydid13		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Does anyone have any evidence that this assemblies have any useful effect on kids? Are they of any use at all even if they manage not to veer into religion?

I have hazy memories of some kind of Ted Nugent multi-media circus that inspired much eye rolling and sarcasm when I was in high school.  I think I also saw at least one professional football player work off his community service by pointing out that drugs are bad.  Of course maybe I just wasn&#039;t their target audience.  They did not rate as adults I took seriously.

They weren&#039;t any more effective in a religious context either.  I was religious and still am, and usually left things like that with burning desire never to be associated with those nut jobs.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone have any evidence that this assemblies have any useful effect on kids? Are they of any use at all even if they manage not to veer into religion?</p>
<p>I have hazy memories of some kind of Ted Nugent multi-media circus that inspired much eye rolling and sarcasm when I was in high school.  I think I also saw at least one professional football player work off his community service by pointing out that drugs are bad.  Of course maybe I just wasn&#8217;t their target audience.  They did not rate as adults I took seriously.</p>
<p>They weren&#8217;t any more effective in a religious context either.  I was religious and still am, and usually left things like that with burning desire never to be associated with those nut jobs.</p>
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		By: Rob Jase		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t confuse being straight edge with being Christian.  My daughter is almost as rabidly atheistic as me but was straight edge for years (she now allows herself a few drinks occassionally).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t confuse being straight edge with being Christian.  My daughter is almost as rabidly atheistic as me but was straight edge for years (she now allows herself a few drinks occassionally).</p>
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		By: jj		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 12:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;So they&#039;re like straight-edge&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Whoa, be careful. You may offend some straight edgers (if any actually exists anymore).  Straight edge was &#039;created&#039; in the early 80&#039;s, pretty much by Minor Threat, a group that was in no way christian.  In a time when the punk movement was literally killing itself with heroin, Ian Mackaye sought to make music with the anti-establishment roots of Punk without the need of drugs and alcohol.  He succeeded, though the band fell apart fairly quickly (although the comp minor threat is considered a classic in the first wave punk rock genre).  Ian went on to form Fugazi, a more indie, less abrasive band, with the same general message   ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So they&#8217;re like straight-edge</p></blockquote>
<p>Whoa, be careful. You may offend some straight edgers (if any actually exists anymore).  Straight edge was &#8216;created&#8217; in the early 80&#8217;s, pretty much by Minor Threat, a group that was in no way christian.  In a time when the punk movement was literally killing itself with heroin, Ian Mackaye sought to make music with the anti-establishment roots of Punk without the need of drugs and alcohol.  He succeeded, though the band fell apart fairly quickly (although the comp minor threat is considered a classic in the first wave punk rock genre).  Ian went on to form Fugazi, a more indie, less abrasive band, with the same general message   </p>
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		By: Marc		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 12:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So they&#039;re like straight-edge? ]]></description>
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		By: Pierce R. Butler		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/10/04/bachmann-and-punk-christians/#comment-547459</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 11:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Punk Christians? But I thought Bachmann was against everything PC...]]></description>
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		By: Jadehawk		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[punk rock for jesus?
ewww. if that&#039;s not missing the point of punk, I don&#039;t know what is. the only &quot;christian punk&quot; that&#039;s acceptable is Irish Punk!

and on another note, sneaking evangelism into schools is fucking vile.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>punk rock for jesus?<br />
ewww. if that&#8217;s not missing the point of punk, I don&#8217;t know what is. the only &#8220;christian punk&#8221; that&#8217;s acceptable is Irish Punk!</p>
<p>and on another note, sneaking evangelism into schools is fucking vile.</p>
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