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		By: Stephanie Z		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/09/29/intelligent-design-vs-evolutio/#comment-547021</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephanie Z]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 15:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, all those capital letters are sure convincing, aren&#039;t they?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, all those capital letters are sure convincing, aren&#8217;t they?</p>
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		By: Daniel R Colgan		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/09/29/intelligent-design-vs-evolutio/#comment-547020</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel R Colgan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 14:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Quantifying The Argument!

Science Is Inside A Reality (Inside The Controlled Enviroment)

Science Is Measuring Reality Using Tools From That Reality (Part Of The Controlled Enviroment)

Science Can Only Measure Something Accuratly If It Is Outside The Controlled Enviroment!

If The Lord Manifested A Rock At This Moment! Then Science Would Measure It And Say Its A Billion Years Old! It However Did Not Exist Until The Lord Manifested It At This Moment!

The Lord Controls Our Reality, Time And Space, He Has The Remote Control! To The Lord A Billion Eternities Could Be a Day! 

He Is The Dreamer, We are The Dreamed!

Science Has A Major Role As It Teaches Us About The Reality And The Rules That We Are Governed By The Reality We Are Subject To And A Part Of!

There IS NO Argument Both States Exist Both Are Correct 

Science Simply Cannot Measure That Which Created The Controlled Enviromen Because Science Is Inside The Controlled Enviroment! ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quantifying The Argument!</p>
<p>Science Is Inside A Reality (Inside The Controlled Enviroment)</p>
<p>Science Is Measuring Reality Using Tools From That Reality (Part Of The Controlled Enviroment)</p>
<p>Science Can Only Measure Something Accuratly If It Is Outside The Controlled Enviroment!</p>
<p>If The Lord Manifested A Rock At This Moment! Then Science Would Measure It And Say Its A Billion Years Old! It However Did Not Exist Until The Lord Manifested It At This Moment!</p>
<p>The Lord Controls Our Reality, Time And Space, He Has The Remote Control! To The Lord A Billion Eternities Could Be a Day! </p>
<p>He Is The Dreamer, We are The Dreamed!</p>
<p>Science Has A Major Role As It Teaches Us About The Reality And The Rules That We Are Governed By The Reality We Are Subject To And A Part Of!</p>
<p>There IS NO Argument Both States Exist Both Are Correct </p>
<p>Science Simply Cannot Measure That Which Created The Controlled Enviromen Because Science Is Inside The Controlled Enviroment! </p>
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		By: Ron Krumpos		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/09/29/intelligent-design-vs-evolutio/#comment-547019</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Krumpos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From Prof. Lithgow&#039;s microscience to macroscience: Earth is a tiny part of the Universe.

Most people, especially in the West, view life in linear time with a beginning and an end.  To some in the East, life is cyclical and continuous; time repeats itself endlessly in an altered form. For them the Universe itself is infinite and eternal, a continuum of expansion and contraction.

The Oxford American Dictionary defines &quot;brane&quot; as: an extended object with any given number of dimensions, of which strings in string theory are examples with one dimension. Our universe is a 3-brane.

&quot;Endless Universe / Beyond the Big Bang&quot; (published by Doubleday 2007) was written by Paul Steinhardt, Albert Einstein professor of physics at Princeton, and Neil Turok, Chair of Mathematical Physics at Cambridge. They write:
&quot;The big bang was not the beginning but the moment separating our current period of expansion and cooling from a previous one. ...the universe has an extra dimension [beyond space-time] bounded by branes...the branes collided with each other to create the bang.&quot;

In &quot;The Fabric of the Cosmos (published by Vintage Books 2005), Columbia University professor of physics and mathematics Brian Greene says:
&quot;...if cosmological evolution on our three-brane [universe] is driven by repeated collisions with a nearby brane, time as we know it would span only one of the universe&#039;s many cycles, with one big bang followed by another, and then another.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Prof. Lithgow&#8217;s microscience to macroscience: Earth is a tiny part of the Universe.</p>
<p>Most people, especially in the West, view life in linear time with a beginning and an end.  To some in the East, life is cyclical and continuous; time repeats itself endlessly in an altered form. For them the Universe itself is infinite and eternal, a continuum of expansion and contraction.</p>
<p>The Oxford American Dictionary defines &#8220;brane&#8221; as: an extended object with any given number of dimensions, of which strings in string theory are examples with one dimension. Our universe is a 3-brane.</p>
<p>&#8220;Endless Universe / Beyond the Big Bang&#8221; (published by Doubleday 2007) was written by Paul Steinhardt, Albert Einstein professor of physics at Princeton, and Neil Turok, Chair of Mathematical Physics at Cambridge. They write:<br />
&#8220;The big bang was not the beginning but the moment separating our current period of expansion and cooling from a previous one. &#8230;the universe has an extra dimension [beyond space-time] bounded by branes&#8230;the branes collided with each other to create the bang.&#8221;</p>
<p>In &#8220;The Fabric of the Cosmos (published by Vintage Books 2005), Columbia University professor of physics and mathematics Brian Greene says:<br />
&#8220;&#8230;if cosmological evolution on our three-brane [universe] is driven by repeated collisions with a nearby brane, time as we know it would span only one of the universe&#8217;s many cycles, with one big bang followed by another, and then another.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Stephanie Z		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/09/29/intelligent-design-vs-evolutio/#comment-547018</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephanie Z]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 18:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I can point you to a book Linus Pauling co-authored about Vitamin C and cancer, too. It is, in fact, an excellent warning about listening to scientists outside their field of expertise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can point you to a book Linus Pauling co-authored about Vitamin C and cancer, too. It is, in fact, an excellent warning about listening to scientists outside their field of expertise.</p>
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		By: Ron Krumpos		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/09/29/intelligent-design-vs-evolutio/#comment-547017</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Krumpos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are three excellent books related to this topic, written by contemporary scientists who are also deeply religious. Intelligent design need not mean creationism; evolution need not mean lack of intelligence.

&quot;The Language of God,&quot; by Francis S. Collins (Free Press/Simon &amp; Schuster 2006). Dr Collins was head-Human Genome Project. He believes that faith in God and science can co-exist and be harmonious.

&quot;Let There be Light,&quot; by Howard Smith (New World Library 2006). Dr. Smith is a senior astrophysicist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center. He explains how modern study of the cosmos complements the Kabbalah.

&quot;Intelligence in Nature,&quot; by Jeremy Narby (Jeremy P. Thatcher/Penguin 2005). Dr. Narby has a doctorate in  anthropology. He makes a reasoned connection between shamanistic beliefs and modern science.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are three excellent books related to this topic, written by contemporary scientists who are also deeply religious. Intelligent design need not mean creationism; evolution need not mean lack of intelligence.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Language of God,&#8221; by Francis S. Collins (Free Press/Simon &#038; Schuster 2006). Dr Collins was head-Human Genome Project. He believes that faith in God and science can co-exist and be harmonious.</p>
<p>&#8220;Let There be Light,&#8221; by Howard Smith (New World Library 2006). Dr. Smith is a senior astrophysicist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center. He explains how modern study of the cosmos complements the Kabbalah.</p>
<p>&#8220;Intelligence in Nature,&#8221; by Jeremy Narby (Jeremy P. Thatcher/Penguin 2005). Dr. Narby has a doctorate in  anthropology. He makes a reasoned connection between shamanistic beliefs and modern science.</p>
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		By: Noam GR		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/09/29/intelligent-design-vs-evolutio/#comment-547016</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Noam GR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 04:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The problem with these press releases is that each new discovery is touted to the general public as &quot;the new definite proof of evolution&quot;, as if any more proof was needed in the first place.  Evolution has been proven for decades now.  This is tantamount to proclaiming &quot;now I&#039;ve REALLY proven gravity&quot; every time you stand up and don&#039;t float up into the sky. 

If someone is so deluded so as to not see it by this point, no amount of proof will do it.  For some, no fossil will ever be &quot;transitional&quot; enough, no ocellus will ever be rudimentary enough, and no molecular apparatus will ever be sufficiently &quot;reduced&quot; into simpler functional forms to satisfy their demand for &quot;evidence&quot;-- because they don&#039;t understand what the words evidence and proof mean in the first place. 


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with these press releases is that each new discovery is touted to the general public as &#8220;the new definite proof of evolution&#8221;, as if any more proof was needed in the first place.  Evolution has been proven for decades now.  This is tantamount to proclaiming &#8220;now I&#8217;ve REALLY proven gravity&#8221; every time you stand up and don&#8217;t float up into the sky. </p>
<p>If someone is so deluded so as to not see it by this point, no amount of proof will do it.  For some, no fossil will ever be &#8220;transitional&#8221; enough, no ocellus will ever be rudimentary enough, and no molecular apparatus will ever be sufficiently &#8220;reduced&#8221; into simpler functional forms to satisfy their demand for &#8220;evidence&#8221;&#8211; because they don&#8217;t understand what the words evidence and proof mean in the first place. </p>
<p>&#8212;<br />
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		By: KBHC		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/09/29/intelligent-design-vs-evolutio/#comment-547015</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KBHC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yeah, Greg, can you provide a bit more detail? I&#039;d love to share this with my students!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Greg, can you provide a bit more detail? I&#8217;d love to share this with my students!</p>
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		By: travc		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[travc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 01:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow, horrible press release.  Didn&#039;t even have a link to the paper as far as I could tell.

On the actual paper... well, not my specialty, but it seems rather &quot;meh&quot;.  Looks like a fairly standard molecular analysis sexed up.  Oh, and I&#039;m a bit miffed since they didn&#039;t cite the original &quot;irreducible complexity&quot; smackdown &lt;i&gt;The Evolutionary Origin of Complex Features&lt;/i&gt; published in Nature back in 2003.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, horrible press release.  Didn&#8217;t even have a link to the paper as far as I could tell.</p>
<p>On the actual paper&#8230; well, not my specialty, but it seems rather &#8220;meh&#8221;.  Looks like a fairly standard molecular analysis sexed up.  Oh, and I&#8217;m a bit miffed since they didn&#8217;t cite the original &#8220;irreducible complexity&#8221; smackdown <i>The Evolutionary Origin of Complex Features</i> published in Nature back in 2003.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/09/29/intelligent-design-vs-evolutio/#comment-547013</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just think &quot;NOT&quot; at the end. ]]></description>
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		By: Gray Gaffer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gray Gaffer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;They therefore stand as proof that Darwin&#039;s theory of evolution breaks down at the molecular level&quot; - is this a typo? All prior text says the opposite.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They therefore stand as proof that Darwin&#8217;s theory of evolution breaks down at the molecular level&#8221; &#8211; is this a typo? All prior text says the opposite.</p>
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