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	Comments on: A former animal researcher speaks out	</title>
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		By: MadScientist		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/09/22/a-former-animal-researcher-spe/#comment-545989</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MadScientist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The last thing the terrorists want is dialog.  You cannot negotiate with terrorists.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last thing the terrorists want is dialog.  You cannot negotiate with terrorists.</p>
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		By: inverse_agonist		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/09/22/a-former-animal-researcher-spe/#comment-545988</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[inverse_agonist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wouldn&#039;t be so sanguine about public support for animal research.  First, animals are cute.  The fact that arguments in favor of animal research are correct doesn&#039;t mean that they&#039;ll convince the public more than pictures of sad little bunny rabbits. Second, it seems that the public doesn&#039;t really have a problem holding self-contradictory beliefs.  Undergraduates have asked what I do, and I&#039;ve explained (brain lesions and local infusions in rats, mostly).  I&#039;ve heard that this research is &quot;so sad&quot; from people that eat meat every day.  It&#039;s not hard to imagine such a person voting for a ballot initiative to restrict research in some way.  I&#039;ve discussed the Jentsch firebombing with my mother, and her first reaction to hearing about it was &quot;Oh, so he was torturing animals.&quot; 

The public doesn&#039;t need to accept or even understand the implications of &quot;extremist&quot; positions for extremists to have a negative effect.  It wasn&#039;t that long ago that a House representative tried to de-fund someone&#039;s grant for pigeon research, on the grounds that it was &quot;wasteful&quot; and had nothing to do with the mission of NIMH.  Sarah Palin thinks research on fruit flies is ridiculous, and she was almost Vice President.  

Apparently less than half of the population accepts evolution, so it&#039;s not hard to imagine that people could be convinced that animals are just &quot;too different&quot; from people to justify such &quot;wasteful spending.&quot;  Animal researchers are just greedy for grants, like those dubious atmospheric scientists trying to scare everybody.  It&#039;s easy to demagogue with these sorts of arguments, especially since America&#039;s finances are...really bad.  What happens when the dollar is replaced by something else as the world reserve currency and things get even worse?  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be so sanguine about public support for animal research.  First, animals are cute.  The fact that arguments in favor of animal research are correct doesn&#8217;t mean that they&#8217;ll convince the public more than pictures of sad little bunny rabbits. Second, it seems that the public doesn&#8217;t really have a problem holding self-contradictory beliefs.  Undergraduates have asked what I do, and I&#8217;ve explained (brain lesions and local infusions in rats, mostly).  I&#8217;ve heard that this research is &#8220;so sad&#8221; from people that eat meat every day.  It&#8217;s not hard to imagine such a person voting for a ballot initiative to restrict research in some way.  I&#8217;ve discussed the Jentsch firebombing with my mother, and her first reaction to hearing about it was &#8220;Oh, so he was torturing animals.&#8221; </p>
<p>The public doesn&#8217;t need to accept or even understand the implications of &#8220;extremist&#8221; positions for extremists to have a negative effect.  It wasn&#8217;t that long ago that a House representative tried to de-fund someone&#8217;s grant for pigeon research, on the grounds that it was &#8220;wasteful&#8221; and had nothing to do with the mission of NIMH.  Sarah Palin thinks research on fruit flies is ridiculous, and she was almost Vice President.  </p>
<p>Apparently less than half of the population accepts evolution, so it&#8217;s not hard to imagine that people could be convinced that animals are just &#8220;too different&#8221; from people to justify such &#8220;wasteful spending.&#8221;  Animal researchers are just greedy for grants, like those dubious atmospheric scientists trying to scare everybody.  It&#8217;s easy to demagogue with these sorts of arguments, especially since America&#8217;s finances are&#8230;really bad.  What happens when the dollar is replaced by something else as the world reserve currency and things get even worse?  </p>
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		By: Stephanie Z		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/09/22/a-former-animal-researcher-spe/#comment-545987</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephanie Z]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[While I appreciate the sentiment of the close, it just ain&#039;t so. You can&#039;t wait to be safe before you start talking. You just have to talk, and to talk about how talking makes you unsafe. Jentsch, at least, is doing just that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I appreciate the sentiment of the close, it just ain&#8217;t so. You can&#8217;t wait to be safe before you start talking. You just have to talk, and to talk about how talking makes you unsafe. Jentsch, at least, is doing just that.</p>
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