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		By: Drake33		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/09/16/what-do-we-do-about-mike-h/#comment-545440</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drake33]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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Jeebus.  His &quot;queen hippo&quot; post was terrible. ...  Mr. H. clearly doesn&#039;t know or care, why his toxic noxious views are not welcome here.  He probably thinks that he has &quot;1st Amendment&quot; rights on this blog.  ...  and now, since it&#039;s all he has left, he&#039;ll play the persecution card.  

It&#039;s a sad life that he has.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeebus.  His &#8220;queen hippo&#8221; post was terrible. &#8230;  Mr. H. clearly doesn&#8217;t know or care, why his toxic noxious views are not welcome here.  He probably thinks that he has &#8220;1st Amendment&#8221; rights on this blog.  &#8230;  and now, since it&#8217;s all he has left, he&#8217;ll play the persecution card.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a sad life that he has.  </p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/09/16/what-do-we-do-about-mike-h/#comment-545439</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 18:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In case you were wondering:  A condition of Mike H&#039;s continued participation was no linking back to his blog.  He continued to link back to his blog and I assumed that this was because he was unable to follow instructions, being a moron and all. But a more recent comment made it clear that he was violating this condition purposefully, and had done so frequently.  

Too bad. He had just started to shift into still obnoxious but at least not just throwing mud mode.  

But, his contribution never rose to the level that he will be missed.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case you were wondering:  A condition of Mike H&#8217;s continued participation was no linking back to his blog.  He continued to link back to his blog and I assumed that this was because he was unable to follow instructions, being a moron and all. But a more recent comment made it clear that he was violating this condition purposefully, and had done so frequently.  </p>
<p>Too bad. He had just started to shift into still obnoxious but at least not just throwing mud mode.  </p>
<p>But, his contribution never rose to the level that he will be missed.  </p>
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		By: dal		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/09/16/what-do-we-do-about-mike-h/#comment-545438</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[mark this solved


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mark this solved</p>
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		By: Ted Gideonse		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/09/16/what-do-we-do-about-mike-h/#comment-545437</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Gideonse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How cute. He took his marbles and went home.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How cute. He took his marbles and went home.</p>
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		By: Jared		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/09/16/what-do-we-do-about-mike-h/#comment-545436</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jared]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 00:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;none of the cowards would have the balls to say it to me if I was within arms reach of them&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And what makes you think we are cowards? How do you know this? Would you attempt physical harm on the individual? If so, how certain are you that it would go your way?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Well, thatâ??s not how I operate. If I am moderated (i.e. my link doesnâ??t show up in my post) I wonâ??t post here, simple as that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I suppose this is farewell, then.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>none of the cowards would have the balls to say it to me if I was within arms reach of them</p></blockquote>
<p>And what makes you think we are cowards? How do you know this? Would you attempt physical harm on the individual? If so, how certain are you that it would go your way?</p>
<blockquote><p>Well, thatâ??s not how I operate. If I am moderated (i.e. my link doesnâ??t show up in my post) I wonâ??t post here, simple as that.</p></blockquote>
<p>I suppose this is farewell, then.</p>
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		By: Azkyroth		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/09/16/what-do-we-do-about-mike-h/#comment-545435</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Azkyroth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I have &lt;strike&gt;pretty&lt;/strike&gt; &lt;b&gt;an incredibly&lt;/b&gt; thick &lt;strike&gt;skin&lt;/strike&gt; &lt;b&gt;skull&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Fixed it for ya. :D]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I have <strike>pretty</strike> <b>an incredibly</b> thick <strike>skin</strike> <b>skull</b></p></blockquote>
<p>Fixed it for ya. 😀</p>
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		By: D. C. Sessions		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/09/16/what-do-we-do-about-mike-h/#comment-545434</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[D. C. Sessions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;d guess he is either incredibly stupid, and thinks that his behavior is always constructive (at least in the sense of providing entertainment) or incredibly evil (and thinks that the occasional politeness lends him credibility with some that he can then capitalize on to tear others down all the more effectively).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I just figured narcissism and lulz.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I&#8217;d guess he is either incredibly stupid, and thinks that his behavior is always constructive (at least in the sense of providing entertainment) or incredibly evil (and thinks that the occasional politeness lends him credibility with some that he can then capitalize on to tear others down all the more effectively).</p></blockquote>
<p>I just figured narcissism and lulz.</p>
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		By: becca		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[becca]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;Physiprof is polite here sometimes because he has finally realized and apparently accepted that just being an asshole all the time to everyone is not justified behavior.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; How do you know that&#039;s why? He&#039;s alternately polite and utterly douchetastic in different places in different contexts. Barring a Jekyll/Hyde MPD issue, I&#039;d guess he is either incredibly stupid, and thinks that his behavior is always constructive (at least in the sense of providing entertainment) or incredibly evil (and thinks that the occasional politeness lends him credibility with some that he can then capitalize on to tear others down all the more effectively). I don&#039;t think the fairness/righteousness of being an asshole in a particular direction really enters into his calculations; I think he just gets high on appearing righteous (like a lot of people... *whistles*). ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Physiprof is polite here sometimes because he has finally realized and apparently accepted that just being an asshole all the time to everyone is not justified behavior.&#8221;</i> How do you know that&#8217;s why? He&#8217;s alternately polite and utterly douchetastic in different places in different contexts. Barring a Jekyll/Hyde MPD issue, I&#8217;d guess he is either incredibly stupid, and thinks that his behavior is always constructive (at least in the sense of providing entertainment) or incredibly evil (and thinks that the occasional politeness lends him credibility with some that he can then capitalize on to tear others down all the more effectively). I don&#8217;t think the fairness/righteousness of being an asshole in a particular direction really enters into his calculations; I think he just gets high on appearing righteous (like a lot of people&#8230; *whistles*). </p>
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		By: Jim Hall		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m late to the discussion, but I&#039;ll give my thoughts anyway. On the FreeDOS Project, I have been very against banning anyone from our mailing lists. This always seemed a bit too much like censoring those who disagreed with me, so I shied away from it. I strongly believe that to develop free software, you must support free speech.

But open source projects tend towards meritocracy: If you have the technical background, people listen to you. If you are a trolling asshat, people ignore you. So it was easy for me to &quot;let free speech rule&quot; on the mailing lists, because the stupid behavior policed itself pretty well.

I&#039;ve broken that rule only once. We had a person on the list who became very disruptive. Our mailing lists have mostly avoided flame wars, but this person was like a match to every argument. It reached a point where I had to make a decision: would kicking this person from the list &lt;em&gt;do more damage to the community&lt;/em&gt; than leaving him there?

In the end, I warned the person (off-list) that his behavior was being very disruptive and abusive, and if he continued I would kick him from the list. Sort of a warning shot. He acknowledged my email, then continued being abusive. I kicked him.

I eventually let him back on the list, after he very politely contacted me off-list to apologize. Still, it was 6 months later before I re-added him to the list. He&#039;s still there, and he mostly keeps his behavior in check. The list community does the rest.

So I&#039;d give this advice to Greg: decide if banning this guy will do more damage to your blog community, rather than just leaving him there. I think lots of other people here have already given their opinion to which they would prefer, so I&#039;ll leave it at that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m late to the discussion, but I&#8217;ll give my thoughts anyway. On the FreeDOS Project, I have been very against banning anyone from our mailing lists. This always seemed a bit too much like censoring those who disagreed with me, so I shied away from it. I strongly believe that to develop free software, you must support free speech.</p>
<p>But open source projects tend towards meritocracy: If you have the technical background, people listen to you. If you are a trolling asshat, people ignore you. So it was easy for me to &#8220;let free speech rule&#8221; on the mailing lists, because the stupid behavior policed itself pretty well.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve broken that rule only once. We had a person on the list who became very disruptive. Our mailing lists have mostly avoided flame wars, but this person was like a match to every argument. It reached a point where I had to make a decision: would kicking this person from the list <em>do more damage to the community</em> than leaving him there?</p>
<p>In the end, I warned the person (off-list) that his behavior was being very disruptive and abusive, and if he continued I would kick him from the list. Sort of a warning shot. He acknowledged my email, then continued being abusive. I kicked him.</p>
<p>I eventually let him back on the list, after he very politely contacted me off-list to apologize. Still, it was 6 months later before I re-added him to the list. He&#8217;s still there, and he mostly keeps his behavior in check. The list community does the rest.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;d give this advice to Greg: decide if banning this guy will do more damage to your blog community, rather than just leaving him there. I think lots of other people here have already given their opinion to which they would prefer, so I&#8217;ll leave it at that.</p>
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		By: Mike H		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/09/16/what-do-we-do-about-mike-h/#comment-545431</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike H]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hmm, where to start. 

First, I would like to say thanks to all my fans and appreciate the overwhelming support I have received on this forum. That and the civility/relevance on the topic that the commenters have shown here is a fine gage of the caliber of people who frequent this site and Mr Ladenâ??s blog in particular. 

Greg doesnâ??t like my politics, and thatâ??s whatâ??s driving this debate, not that I called some obese black woman â??queen hippoâ?. Allegations of racism have become rather meaningless because of people like Mr Ladenâ??s overuse and misuse of them. Soon it will join â??fascistâ? in the lexicon of other ways of saying â??things and people we donâ??t likeâ?. While I have certainly mocked some of the other commenters here, the kind of vile directed at me is an order of magnitude more severe. Not that I care, I have pretty thick skin and to be honest none of the cowards would have the balls to say it to me if I was within arms reach of them, but for Mr Ladenâ??s  crocodile tears about me being over the top and overly offensive is just more of his brand of hose phooey. 

Although Greg hates my politics and probably despises me as well, he knows I am good for traffic (as evident by the 100+ replies to this thread).  Maybe he makes some kind of income from this blog, maybe he doesnâ??t, but since he is currently a jobless loser, he needs something and since I marginally (and not so marginally today) contribute to that he looks to be willing to let me stick around just so long as I kiss the ring. 

Well, thatâ??s not how I operate. If I am moderated (i.e. my link doesnâ??t show up in my post) I wonâ??t post here, simple as that. 

I wont lose any sleep if a second rate, unemployed loser like Mr Laden bans me, but it will say volumes for kind of person he is. 

Smell you later losers. 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, where to start. </p>
<p>First, I would like to say thanks to all my fans and appreciate the overwhelming support I have received on this forum. That and the civility/relevance on the topic that the commenters have shown here is a fine gage of the caliber of people who frequent this site and Mr Ladenâ??s blog in particular. </p>
<p>Greg doesnâ??t like my politics, and thatâ??s whatâ??s driving this debate, not that I called some obese black woman â??queen hippoâ?. Allegations of racism have become rather meaningless because of people like Mr Ladenâ??s overuse and misuse of them. Soon it will join â??fascistâ? in the lexicon of other ways of saying â??things and people we donâ??t likeâ?. While I have certainly mocked some of the other commenters here, the kind of vile directed at me is an order of magnitude more severe. Not that I care, I have pretty thick skin and to be honest none of the cowards would have the balls to say it to me if I was within arms reach of them, but for Mr Ladenâ??s  crocodile tears about me being over the top and overly offensive is just more of his brand of hose phooey. </p>
<p>Although Greg hates my politics and probably despises me as well, he knows I am good for traffic (as evident by the 100+ replies to this thread).  Maybe he makes some kind of income from this blog, maybe he doesnâ??t, but since he is currently a jobless loser, he needs something and since I marginally (and not so marginally today) contribute to that he looks to be willing to let me stick around just so long as I kiss the ring. </p>
<p>Well, thatâ??s not how I operate. If I am moderated (i.e. my link doesnâ??t show up in my post) I wonâ??t post here, simple as that. </p>
<p>I wont lose any sleep if a second rate, unemployed loser like Mr Laden bans me, but it will say volumes for kind of person he is. </p>
<p>Smell you later losers. </p>
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