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		By: Katkinkate		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/09/08/claim-placebos-getting-more-ef/#comment-544396</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Katkinkate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 18:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The drugs they&#039;re testing are probably close to worthless.  If they don&#039;t work much better than placebo, they generally don&#039;t work.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The drugs they&#8217;re testing are probably close to worthless.  If they don&#8217;t work much better than placebo, they generally don&#8217;t work.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/09/08/claim-placebos-getting-more-ef/#comment-544395</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 17:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/09/what_is_the_placebo_effect_and.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;My more extensive take on the placebo effect is here.&lt;/a&gt;
  
I&#039;m going to reply to Stephanie&#039;s comment over there.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/09/what_is_the_placebo_effect_and.php" rel="nofollow">My more extensive take on the placebo effect is here.</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to reply to Stephanie&#8217;s comment over there.  </p>
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		By: Stephanie Z		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/09/08/claim-placebos-getting-more-ef/#comment-544394</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephanie Z]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 16:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually, what I meant was that knowing that one is in a study and wanting that study to turn out well can change how well people take care of themselves otherwise. The examination in the case I gave above would reflect a real difference, but that difference would have nothing to do with the treatment being studied, only with the fact that the subject was being helpfully careful.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, what I meant was that knowing that one is in a study and wanting that study to turn out well can change how well people take care of themselves otherwise. The examination in the case I gave above would reflect a real difference, but that difference would have nothing to do with the treatment being studied, only with the fact that the subject was being helpfully careful.</p>
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		By: Ahcuah		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/09/08/claim-placebos-getting-more-ef/#comment-544393</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ahcuah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 16:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I see in my using Chondroitin I was not careful in what I meant by objective. I did not mean to imply that how the patient felt would be a good result, but actual examination (via MRI or whatever) of the joint.

And of course that would have to be double-blind so that the examiner&#039;s (unconscious) expectations played no role, either.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see in my using Chondroitin I was not careful in what I meant by objective. I did not mean to imply that how the patient felt would be a good result, but actual examination (via MRI or whatever) of the joint.</p>
<p>And of course that would have to be double-blind so that the examiner&#8217;s (unconscious) expectations played no role, either.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/09/08/claim-placebos-getting-more-ef/#comment-544392</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I will explain this all in a very few minutes.  

Well, not all. But I&#039;ll do it in such a way that your stress levels go way down and you feel better.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will explain this all in a very few minutes.  </p>
<p>Well, not all. But I&#8217;ll do it in such a way that your stress levels go way down and you feel better.  </p>
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		By: Stephanie Z		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/09/08/claim-placebos-getting-more-ef/#comment-544391</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephanie Z]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Even in the Chondroitin study, you&#039;re likely to see differences that are purely behavioral. Don&#039;t ever underestimate the power of a test subject&#039;s desire to please. &quot;Oh, they&#039;re testing this pill. I&#039;d best not screw anything up in their results. I guess I&#039;ll take it easy instead of taking that mountain hike.&quot; That behavioral change is not going to be there except under study conditions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even in the Chondroitin study, you&#8217;re likely to see differences that are purely behavioral. Don&#8217;t ever underestimate the power of a test subject&#8217;s desire to please. &#8220;Oh, they&#8217;re testing this pill. I&#8217;d best not screw anything up in their results. I guess I&#8217;ll take it easy instead of taking that mountain hike.&#8221; That behavioral change is not going to be there except under study conditions.</p>
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		By: sailor		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/09/08/claim-placebos-getting-more-ef/#comment-544390</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sailor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I seem to remember that placebos do vary in effectiveness. For example little red pills are more effective than large white ones. Sticking needles in (anywhere) seems more effective than taking a pill and so on. However, how the patient feels is very subjective. I suspect you could get a big improvement in this category by administering morphine for almost anything. What is more interesting is objective measures of the patients problem. As mentioned by Ahcuah above.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to remember that placebos do vary in effectiveness. For example little red pills are more effective than large white ones. Sticking needles in (anywhere) seems more effective than taking a pill and so on. However, how the patient feels is very subjective. I suspect you could get a big improvement in this category by administering morphine for almost anything. What is more interesting is objective measures of the patients problem. As mentioned by Ahcuah above.</p>
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		By: Ahcuah		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/09/08/claim-placebos-getting-more-ef/#comment-544389</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ahcuah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One thing that often isn&#039;t noted is that there is a difference between a subjective placebo and an objective placebo. Let me explain.

Many studies try to answer a question like: do you feel less pain? The answer to that is pretty subjective, and can really vary depending upon one&#039;s expectations. I could see how a measured placebo effect might thereby change over time. A more stoic society might report less pain (even though the actual nerve stimulation or reaction remained the same).

However, there are a lot of other studies that are objective. Does Chondroitin actually promote joint healing? In this case, it either does or it doesn&#039;t, and a proper double-blind experiment ought not see a change in the effect of the placebo. There is no subjectivity involved.

]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that often isn&#8217;t noted is that there is a difference between a subjective placebo and an objective placebo. Let me explain.</p>
<p>Many studies try to answer a question like: do you feel less pain? The answer to that is pretty subjective, and can really vary depending upon one&#8217;s expectations. I could see how a measured placebo effect might thereby change over time. A more stoic society might report less pain (even though the actual nerve stimulation or reaction remained the same).</p>
<p>However, there are a lot of other studies that are objective. Does Chondroitin actually promote joint healing? In this case, it either does or it doesn&#8217;t, and a proper double-blind experiment ought not see a change in the effect of the placebo. There is no subjectivity involved.</p>
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		By: Steve Silberman		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/09/08/claim-placebos-getting-more-ef/#comment-544388</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Silberman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 13:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg, I look forward to reading your epic post.  

Note that my article -- which, hopefully, you will read in its entirety? -- goes into some depth (at least for a pop culture magazine!) about the various elements that may be contributing to this problem for Big Pharma.  As I pointed out in the White Coat Underground thread, Peter&#039;s initial impression that I was declaring that sugar pills are somehow mysteriously getting stronger was off the mark.  There are a LOT of factors in play here, some of which I talk about in the article, and many of which I couldn&#039;t get into in a limited space for a general readership.

I look forward to your thoughts!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, I look forward to reading your epic post.  </p>
<p>Note that my article &#8212; which, hopefully, you will read in its entirety? &#8212; goes into some depth (at least for a pop culture magazine!) about the various elements that may be contributing to this problem for Big Pharma.  As I pointed out in the White Coat Underground thread, Peter&#8217;s initial impression that I was declaring that sugar pills are somehow mysteriously getting stronger was off the mark.  There are a LOT of factors in play here, some of which I talk about in the article, and many of which I couldn&#8217;t get into in a limited space for a general readership.</p>
<p>I look forward to your thoughts!</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/09/08/claim-placebos-getting-more-ef/#comment-544387</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 13:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Steve:  That&#039;s what I&quot;m actually doing!!!!!  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve:  That&#8217;s what I&#8221;m actually doing!!!!!  </p>
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