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	Comments on: A Falsehood: The poor and the dark skinned have more babies than the rich and the light skinned	</title>
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		By: MikeN		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/08/31/the-poor-and-the-dark-skinned/#comment-559839</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Dec 2017 07:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wealthier people have more kids relative to their countrymen.  You can still have wealthier countries with vastly lower birthrates.  Europe vs Africa in 1900 vs 2017, the ratios have flipped.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wealthier people have more kids relative to their countrymen.  You can still have wealthier countries with vastly lower birthrates.  Europe vs Africa in 1900 vs 2017, the ratios have flipped.</p>
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		By: Mike		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/08/31/the-poor-and-the-dark-skinned/#comment-559688</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2017 00:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/08/31/the-poor-and-the-dark-skinned/#comment-543547&quot;&gt;Noam GR&lt;/a&gt;.

I completely agree with this guy. Seems like everyone is trying to write their magnum opus trying to disprove the fact that low income people have more babies or create some sort of logical (and also as I’m seeing, illogical) reasons and arguments to explain why even though that fact is true it there is some reason poor people can’t be considered poor or there’s some definitional issue with the words in the statement, “poor people have more babies.” It’s just a fact.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/08/31/the-poor-and-the-dark-skinned/#comment-543547">Noam GR</a>.</p>
<p>I completely agree with this guy. Seems like everyone is trying to write their magnum opus trying to disprove the fact that low income people have more babies or create some sort of logical (and also as I’m seeing, illogical) reasons and arguments to explain why even though that fact is true it there is some reason poor people can’t be considered poor or there’s some definitional issue with the words in the statement, “poor people have more babies.” It’s just a fact.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2014 03:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/08/31/the-poor-and-the-dark-skinned/#comment-543650&quot;&gt;Jackie Fox&lt;/a&gt;.

Jackie: You are correct. I wrote that post years ago, before I became much more aware that titles meant to make a reader look, that made the opposite point of the article or post, actually did more damage than good because most people read only the title. It is a little depressing that I (and others) have to compensate for other people&#039;s self imposed illiteracy, but that&#039;s how it goes.

Thanks for pointing this out, I changed the title.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/08/31/the-poor-and-the-dark-skinned/#comment-543650">Jackie Fox</a>.</p>
<p>Jackie: You are correct. I wrote that post years ago, before I became much more aware that titles meant to make a reader look, that made the opposite point of the article or post, actually did more damage than good because most people read only the title. It is a little depressing that I (and others) have to compensate for other people&#8217;s self imposed illiteracy, but that&#8217;s how it goes.</p>
<p>Thanks for pointing this out, I changed the title.</p>
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		By: Jackie Fox		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2014 01:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know what skin color has to do with this. Yes, I know that dark skinned people are mostly poor, but their skin color isn&#039;t the reason why they are poor, or in other words they were not born or destined to be poor. Whether you realized it or not I do not appreciate you enforcing the stereotype that people with light skin are superior to people with dark skin by using the title of your article. It may not be your intention, but what are people supposed to think when they see and hear about poor people, dark skin people are always the ones to pop up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what skin color has to do with this. Yes, I know that dark skinned people are mostly poor, but their skin color isn&#8217;t the reason why they are poor, or in other words they were not born or destined to be poor. Whether you realized it or not I do not appreciate you enforcing the stereotype that people with light skin are superior to people with dark skin by using the title of your article. It may not be your intention, but what are people supposed to think when they see and hear about poor people, dark skin people are always the ones to pop up.</p>
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		By: David B Crawford, MD		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/08/31/the-poor-and-the-dark-skinned/#comment-543649</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David B Crawford, MD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 02:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg, you got game.

It was a lesson in culture-centric humility for me to do a double take on &quot;hoes in the garage&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, you got game.</p>
<p>It was a lesson in culture-centric humility for me to do a double take on &#8220;hoes in the garage&#8221;.</p>
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		By: David B Crawford, MD		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/08/31/the-poor-and-the-dark-skinned/#comment-543648</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David B Crawford, MD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 02:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Assign sperm count collection to post-grads (male or female?) as long as their name is not First for peer reviewed publication ;-)

Assign female receptivity as ratio to perceived social status of male object choice to post-grads (male or female?), so long as long as their name is not First for peer reviewed publication.  
 ;-)

Hey, get you name on a paper!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assign sperm count collection to post-grads (male or female?) as long as their name is not First for peer reviewed publication 😉</p>
<p>Assign female receptivity as ratio to perceived social status of male object choice to post-grads (male or female?), so long as long as their name is not First for peer reviewed publication.<br />
 😉</p>
<p>Hey, get you name on a paper!</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/08/31/the-poor-and-the-dark-skinned/#comment-543647</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 02:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s actually quite a large literature on this, so the grand money may not be such easy pickings.  Here&#039;s a few foundational references (including collections of research) for you to start with.  After reviewing these you can survey the more recent literature (though there is a decline in production in this particular area after a while) then start working on your grant proposal: 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/019509865X/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=019509865X&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=wwwgregladenc-20&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Human Nature: A Critical Reader&lt;/a&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=wwwgregladenc-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=019509865X&quot; width=&quot;1&quot; height=&quot;1&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; style=&quot;border:none !important; margin:0px !important;&quot; /&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0202362019/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0202362019&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=wwwgregladenc-20&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Despotism and Differential Reproduction: A Darwinian View of History&lt;/a&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=wwwgregladenc-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0202362019&quot; width=&quot;1&quot; height=&quot;1&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; style=&quot;border:none !important; margin:0px !important;&quot; /&gt;


&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0521337968/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0521337968&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=wwwgregladenc-20&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Human Reproductive Behaviour: A Darwinian Perspective&lt;/a&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=wwwgregladenc-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0521337968&quot; width=&quot;1&quot; height=&quot;1&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; style=&quot;border:none !important; margin:0px !important;&quot; /&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s actually quite a large literature on this, so the grand money may not be such easy pickings.  Here&#8217;s a few foundational references (including collections of research) for you to start with.  After reviewing these you can survey the more recent literature (though there is a decline in production in this particular area after a while) then start working on your grant proposal: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/019509865X/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=019509865X&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;tag=wwwgregladenc-20" rel="nofollow">Human Nature: A Critical Reader</a><img src="https://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=wwwgregladenc-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=019509865X" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" /></p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0202362019/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=0202362019&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;tag=wwwgregladenc-20" rel="nofollow">Despotism and Differential Reproduction: A Darwinian View of History</a><img src="https://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=wwwgregladenc-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=0202362019" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" /></p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0521337968/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=0521337968&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;tag=wwwgregladenc-20" rel="nofollow">Human Reproductive Behaviour: A Darwinian Perspective</a><img src="https://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=wwwgregladenc-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=0521337968" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" /></p>
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		By: David B Crawford, MD		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/08/31/the-poor-and-the-dark-skinned/#comment-543646</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David B Crawford, MD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 02:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is grant gold in this question  ;-)  Is the culture-tied wealth perception directly proportional to the culture-tied male status perception, thus fertility? I think that sperm count in male primates and/or mammals has been related to number of offspring.  Either that or male status is directly proportional to female sexual receptivity to the perceived social status of said males (Kennedy, Clinton, Nial of the Nine Hostages et. al.). Note to self: review literature for meta-analysis.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is grant gold in this question  😉  Is the culture-tied wealth perception directly proportional to the culture-tied male status perception, thus fertility? I think that sperm count in male primates and/or mammals has been related to number of offspring.  Either that or male status is directly proportional to female sexual receptivity to the perceived social status of said males (Kennedy, Clinton, Nial of the Nine Hostages et. al.). Note to self: review literature for meta-analysis.</p>
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		By: David B Crawford, MD		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/08/31/the-poor-and-the-dark-skinned/#comment-543645</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David B Crawford, MD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 01:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think that the IRS could use filters like :&quot;snot faced&quot;, &quot;Harvard&quot;, or &quot;Yale&quot; in their review for applications from PACs for tax free status.  Just sayin.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the IRS could use filters like :&#8221;snot faced&#8221;, &#8220;Harvard&#8221;, or &#8220;Yale&#8221; in their review for applications from PACs for tax free status.  Just sayin.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 01:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This argument is far too long winded. It simply comes down to education and access to it. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This argument is far too long winded. It simply comes down to education and access to it. </p>
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