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		By: MadScientist		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/08/24/todo-list-item-kill-child-beca/#comment-542944</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MadScientist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Betsy&#039;s got it right.  Apostasy is still rewarded with a stoning; the crime is not in choosing another religion (after all mohammedanism is one of 3 major abrahamic religions) but in leaving mohammed.  Christians supposedly worship the same god - so they didn&#039;t really abandon their god, they abandoned their god&#039;s dog mohammed.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Betsy&#8217;s got it right.  Apostasy is still rewarded with a stoning; the crime is not in choosing another religion (after all mohammedanism is one of 3 major abrahamic religions) but in leaving mohammed.  Christians supposedly worship the same god &#8211; so they didn&#8217;t really abandon their god, they abandoned their god&#8217;s dog mohammed.</p>
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		By: travc		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[travc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Do all &#039;special revelation&#039; religions eventually devolve into viewing the laws of the book as being applicable at all times?

Plenty of Muslims viewed the strictures and laws as being situation specific... yeah, &#039;from God&#039;, but &#039;from God to the prophet to help lead his people at a certain time and place through certain difficulties&#039;.  I&#039;m not talking about some modern interp either... it appears that the &#039;liberal&#039; interp was the norm from the start until quite recently.  The fact that the Koran is quite complicated and often vague probably helped Islam avoid falling into literalism and fundamentalism longer than most religions.  (There is a bit about the vagueness being intentional and open to interpretation actually in the Koran.)

Anyway, in this respect, Islam was better that Judaism and Christianity (which is basically just an atomic reform of Judaism).  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do all &#8216;special revelation&#8217; religions eventually devolve into viewing the laws of the book as being applicable at all times?</p>
<p>Plenty of Muslims viewed the strictures and laws as being situation specific&#8230; yeah, &#8216;from God&#8217;, but &#8216;from God to the prophet to help lead his people at a certain time and place through certain difficulties&#8217;.  I&#8217;m not talking about some modern interp either&#8230; it appears that the &#8216;liberal&#8217; interp was the norm from the start until quite recently.  The fact that the Koran is quite complicated and often vague probably helped Islam avoid falling into literalism and fundamentalism longer than most religions.  (There is a bit about the vagueness being intentional and open to interpretation actually in the Koran.)</p>
<p>Anyway, in this respect, Islam was better that Judaism and Christianity (which is basically just an atomic reform of Judaism).  </p>
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		By: Anne Gilbert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anne Gilbert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I read about this story in the local newspaper on Friday(I think).  Apparently the parents &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;did not&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; say they would kill her, though I&#039;m sure they might have felt like it, as many parents of teenagers do.  The whole thing sounds like a lot less than it&#039;s being made out to be.
Anne G]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read about this story in the local newspaper on Friday(I think).  Apparently the parents <b><i>did not</i></b> say they would kill her, though I&#8217;m sure they might have felt like it, as many parents of teenagers do.  The whole thing sounds like a lot less than it&#8217;s being made out to be.<br />
Anne G</p>
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		By: Monado, FCD		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Monado, FCD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No, no, no, you&#039;re supposed to kill apostates for all other choices, including &quot;none of the above.&quot; Just as the old testament telly you you&#039;re supposed to kill uppity children--right next to where you&#039;re supposed to punish gay men, but some time after you&#039;re supposed to stone adulterers such as many still extant priests and politicians. These people are just more fundamental than your fundamentalists. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, no, no, you&#8217;re supposed to kill apostates for all other choices, including &#8220;none of the above.&#8221; Just as the old testament telly you you&#8217;re supposed to kill uppity children&#8211;right next to where you&#8217;re supposed to punish gay men, but some time after you&#8217;re supposed to stone adulterers such as many still extant priests and politicians. These people are just more fundamental than your fundamentalists. </p>
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		By: Pierce R. Butler		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/08/24/todo-list-item-kill-child-beca/#comment-542940</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pierce R. Butler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This looks more like a case of a rebellious teenager being exploited by a predatory preacher who hooked up with her online - follow the link provided by Ian @ # 3, and read the comments as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This looks more like a case of a rebellious teenager being exploited by a predatory preacher who hooked up with her online &#8211; follow the link provided by Ian @ # 3, and read the comments as well.</p>
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		By: Ian		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/08/24/todo-list-item-kill-child-beca/#comment-542939</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t be too quick to take radical Christian pastors at face value.  Richard Bartholomew &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/8/15/814/03261/Front_Page/Apocalyptic_Pastor_Claims_to_be_Protecting_ex_Muslim_Teenage_Runaway&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;points out some holes&lt;/a&gt; in the story.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t be too quick to take radical Christian pastors at face value.  Richard Bartholomew <a href="http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/8/15/814/03261/Front_Page/Apocalyptic_Pastor_Claims_to_be_Protecting_ex_Muslim_Teenage_Runaway" rel="nofollow">points out some holes</a> in the story.</p>
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		By: Betsy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Betsy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 12:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not from what I understand. Apostates are apostates.  It being Christianity just makes it that much worse.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not from what I understand. Apostates are apostates.  It being Christianity just makes it that much worse.</p>
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		By: Ian		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/08/24/todo-list-item-kill-child-beca/#comment-542937</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 12:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So she abandoned her old god, but has so little faith in her new god&#039;s ability to protect her from those who would unilaterally act in the stead of her old god that she ran away?  OK.  Got it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So she abandoned her old god, but has so little faith in her new god&#8217;s ability to protect her from those who would unilaterally act in the stead of her old god that she ran away?  OK.  Got it.</p>
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