Sig Hiel

The International Covenant itself states, “Freedom to manifest one’s religion or beliefs may be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary to protect public safety, order, health, or morals or the fundamental rights and freedoms of others.” All the things I’ve listed above are examples where the religious rights of one person come into conflict with the public safety and health rights of others. They’re all examples taken from proselytizing faiths. There are excellent human rights reasons to deny the entry of missionaries to one’s country.

Yes, those countries typically have anti-missoinary laws, but so do other countries. My principles are just fine, thank you. My experience with missionaries is that they routinely ignore local law in all ways that are convenient to them. And, I fully object to systematic, well funded proselytizing, especially when it comes to trading “souls” for food and medicine. I am not worried by he mormons at my door. I’m worried about other things regarding missionaries.

You’d have to be a a total morman, I mean moron, to not want your local illegals counted.

Know your local laws. In certain places (and this is often by local regulation) if you are not moving someone can not accost you. So, if they start to come over to you, stop and look around like you are lost or looking for someone. They have to stop. They can’t talk to you. THen, when you start walkig, if they waited for you, they can come at you again, but then you can stop again.

This is tricky because a person can accost you and ask to talk to you, and if you acknowledge this and stop, THEN they can talk to you. So you always have to turn away when you stop so you are not showing a sign of acknowledging them.

I used to play this game with a guy in Harvard Square all the time.

Josh [15] Last summer, I had relatives visiting, we ended up coming from a Mn Atheist event with the producer of Mn Atheist talk radio, the host of Mn Atheist talk radio, the head of Mn Atheist (I think he was there) and some other people. We hit the streets in Whittier, South Minneapolis (the neighborhood in question) and were instantly accosted by a group of a half dozen mormons. Most of us could do nothing but ROSLOAO (S=street)

As for their works over seas, that should all be illegal and is in fact illegal in many countries. Being illegal has not stopped them from carrying out misionizing acts, and when they do so, they should be arrested by local authorities and tossed in prison.

That’s generally in countries where things like converting from Islam to atheism is also illegal. How thin is the veneer of your principles.

Don’t like the Mormons or Jehovah’s Witnesses at your door? Just say ‘No thanks.’ and close the door.

But, illegal immigrants do get counted. I’m not so sure how fair that is. Is it logical to apportion voting weight with non US citizens being part of the count? These illigal immigrants are not paying income tax, not voting

I’m pretty sure a larger group of non-voting, non-income-tax-paying people are counted. Or does the US census not count children? And illegal immigrants, as you concede, do pay sales taxes and excise taxes.

BTW, the reason people like members of foreign services and militaries and their families accompanying them are generally treated as still being resident in their home country rather than the country they’re currently living in isn’t to do with ease of counting but to do with the fact they are in a foreign country at the behest of their own country and only so long as it pleases their own country to have them in foreign lands.