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	Comments on: More Maddow on Health Care Reform Sabotage	</title>
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		By: Susan Brei		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/08/05/more-maddow-on-health-care-ref/#comment-541255</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Brei]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 01:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This intimidation routine is what right-wing authoritarians were born for. Too bad these undereducated, underemployed, overly-religious &quot;regular folk&quot; are so easy for corporate lobbyists to control. Here&#039;s the formula for success:

1) Say you love Jesus and guns.
2) Label Democrats pro-choice and anti-firearm.
3) There, you&#039;ve got em! Now you can tell them Obama is a socialist Antichrist non-citizen. You can tell them to disrupt town halls because old people will be forced to die and sex changes will be &quot;mandated&quot; (a word absent from most of their vocabularies. They&#039;ll do whatever you ask and believe whatever you say.
4) Sit back and watch them vote against their own interests while the cash flows in.

This large malfunctioning dark spot in the collective intelligence of the American people is so annoying and disheartening that it wears me out emotionally just thinking about it. I give up! There&#039;s no stopping this brand of stupid!

I&#039;m going to put Idiocracy in the DVD player and cry now...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This intimidation routine is what right-wing authoritarians were born for. Too bad these undereducated, underemployed, overly-religious &#8220;regular folk&#8221; are so easy for corporate lobbyists to control. Here&#8217;s the formula for success:</p>
<p>1) Say you love Jesus and guns.<br />
2) Label Democrats pro-choice and anti-firearm.<br />
3) There, you&#8217;ve got em! Now you can tell them Obama is a socialist Antichrist non-citizen. You can tell them to disrupt town halls because old people will be forced to die and sex changes will be &#8220;mandated&#8221; (a word absent from most of their vocabularies. They&#8217;ll do whatever you ask and believe whatever you say.<br />
4) Sit back and watch them vote against their own interests while the cash flows in.</p>
<p>This large malfunctioning dark spot in the collective intelligence of the American people is so annoying and disheartening that it wears me out emotionally just thinking about it. I give up! There&#8217;s no stopping this brand of stupid!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to put Idiocracy in the DVD player and cry now&#8230;</p>
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		By: Itzac		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/08/05/more-maddow-on-health-care-ref/#comment-541254</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Itzac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 18:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ok, I&#039;ll grant the headline is kinda funny. But she does go on to read clarifying lines from the press release before making her hyperbole.

This intimidation that&#039;s going on is kinda sapping my sense of humour.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I&#8217;ll grant the headline is kinda funny. But she does go on to read clarifying lines from the press release before making her hyperbole.</p>
<p>This intimidation that&#8217;s going on is kinda sapping my sense of humour.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;The question is, how do we combat these idiots?&lt;/em&gt;

That should be obvious.  Hit them where their fear is greatest. 

Make them give up their genitals!  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The question is, how do we combat these idiots?</em></p>
<p>That should be obvious.  Hit them where their fear is greatest. </p>
<p>Make them give up their genitals!  </p>
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		By: Joel		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/08/05/more-maddow-on-health-care-ref/#comment-541252</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The question is, how do we combat these idiots?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question is, how do we combat these idiots?</p>
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		By: becca		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/08/05/more-maddow-on-health-care-ref/#comment-541251</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[becca]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It did seem slightly disingenuous to me at first, but it becomes obvious hyperbole. I mean &quot;they&#039;re coming to steal your genitals!!11eleventy&quot; doesn&#039;t seem like something anyone would actually say except in jest, does it?
But given the weird ambiguity of the headline she reported on, I think it deserves such mockery. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It did seem slightly disingenuous to me at first, but it becomes obvious hyperbole. I mean &#8220;they&#8217;re coming to steal your genitals!!11eleventy&#8221; doesn&#8217;t seem like something anyone would actually say except in jest, does it?<br />
But given the weird ambiguity of the headline she reported on, I think it deserves such mockery. </p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/08/05/more-maddow-on-health-care-ref/#comment-541250</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[NatCyn: Our comments crossed ... see my response above to Itzac.

It is not really helpful to chastise Maddow for going overboard.  She was reporting on the Republicans going overboard. They really did say that if Obama has is way we&#039;ll be ordering old people to take end of life injections.  They really are using sex change operations and their mandate (in some fuzzy terminology that is not especially understandable) to energize their base and sway fence sitters.  Let us please try not to eat our own young at every possible opportunity.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NatCyn: Our comments crossed &#8230; see my response above to Itzac.</p>
<p>It is not really helpful to chastise Maddow for going overboard.  She was reporting on the Republicans going overboard. They really did say that if Obama has is way we&#8217;ll be ordering old people to take end of life injections.  They really are using sex change operations and their mandate (in some fuzzy terminology that is not especially understandable) to energize their base and sway fence sitters.  Let us please try not to eat our own young at every possible opportunity.  </p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Itzac, she is better than that and she is not misrepresenting anything.  She is lampooning the Republicans.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Itzac, she is better than that and she is not misrepresenting anything.  She is lampooning the Republicans.  </p>
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		By: natural cynic		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/08/05/more-maddow-on-health-care-ref/#comment-541248</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[natural cynic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rachel went overboard on this - from &quot;mandate&quot; sex change operations to &quot;mandatory&quot; sex-change operations.  Bad choice of words.  I pretty sure that what was meant by &quot;mandate sex-change operations&quot; means that health insurance will pay for it, mandatory is ridiculous.  But then, some wingnuts will interpret it to mean what Rachel actually said - mandatory.  

There is some controversy in countries like the UK and Canada as to whether Gender Reassingment Surgery will be paid by the government.  AFAIK, the pro-op counseling and hormones are paid, but GRS is one of those things that people have to go through such a big hassle and a long wait that they pay for it themselves.

But, come to think of it, changing the wingnuts to a wings might not be a bad thing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachel went overboard on this &#8211; from &#8220;mandate&#8221; sex change operations to &#8220;mandatory&#8221; sex-change operations.  Bad choice of words.  I pretty sure that what was meant by &#8220;mandate sex-change operations&#8221; means that health insurance will pay for it, mandatory is ridiculous.  But then, some wingnuts will interpret it to mean what Rachel actually said &#8211; mandatory.  </p>
<p>There is some controversy in countries like the UK and Canada as to whether Gender Reassingment Surgery will be paid by the government.  AFAIK, the pro-op counseling and hormones are paid, but GRS is one of those things that people have to go through such a big hassle and a long wait that they pay for it themselves.</p>
<p>But, come to think of it, changing the wingnuts to a wings might not be a bad thing.</p>
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		By: itzac		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/08/05/more-maddow-on-health-care-ref/#comment-541247</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[itzac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I should also point out that Rachel Maddow is misrepresenting the complaint. Obviously the complaint isn&#039;t about being forced to get a sex change, but being forced to pay for someone else&#039;s. I have no problem with paying for gender reassignment through my taxes, and it saddens me that my province has recently delisted the procedure, but this is disingenuous of Maddow. I thought she was better than that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should also point out that Rachel Maddow is misrepresenting the complaint. Obviously the complaint isn&#8217;t about being forced to get a sex change, but being forced to pay for someone else&#8217;s. I have no problem with paying for gender reassignment through my taxes, and it saddens me that my province has recently delisted the procedure, but this is disingenuous of Maddow. I thought she was better than that.</p>
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		By: itzac		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/08/05/more-maddow-on-health-care-ref/#comment-541246</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[itzac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is how democracy dies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is how democracy dies.</p>
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