Comments on: Unscientific America

By: Agencja Reklamowa

Agencja Reklamowa — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:10:16 +0000

I really want to read review and the book itself. I think I can spend all my money for it. Best whishes to all blogers.

By: Greg Laden

Greg Laden — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:40:30 +0000

Oh, and you’ll also want to read my other post on “Someone has been wrong on The Internet all year” (which was just posted).

By: Greg Laden

Greg Laden — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:22:15 +0000

The links cited above are great. However, I want to point out that this debate, and the use of the term “accomodationist” or “Appeaser” goes back two years earlier on the internet and was very much part of the framing debate (check my archive page and look for “framing science” and look on gregladen.com for “framing” as well)

Well, the debate is probably older than that even but I don’t think much of what has been said since February is new, just restated (and often better stated).

I’ve decided to put my post up now. It will be up in a few minutes.

By: Kammy

Kammy — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:17:01 +0000

I just came back from reading PZ’s post and damn if I don’t feel like running out in the street, pumping my fists and shouting Fuck YEAH!!! And now I shall decorously take my leave for some span of time as I dive into the links so kindly provided by you fine folks. But first I shall mix up a pomegranate martini with vanilla vodka. I’m happy to share… 🙂

By: Jason Thibeault

Jason Thibeault — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:11:46 +0000

Bah! Spamfilter’d!

Oh well, Dan and Stephanie beat me to it.

By: Dan J

Dan J — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:10:33 +0000

Oh my! I hadn’t seen ERV’s post. Thanks for that one Stephanie, I think it just made my day!

By: Jason Thibeault

Jason Thibeault — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:07:35 +0000

Kammy -- this is the post by Mooney that really kicked this whole thing off. Keep in mind that this is basically a pre-book trial balloon for Mooney's assault on those atheists that dare to suggest that religion is actually incompatible with science. His book, while arguing that science needs to be at the forefront, holds as one of its tenets that we should be doing what we can to mollycoddle the religious so as not to alienate them. Only, not phrased the way I just did. I'm presently working my way through PZ's book review and Mooney's "reply" comment which he links halfway down in the comments (not going to link it too, as then I'll get caught in the ScienceBlogs spam filter). There's lots of stuff on the blogosphere related to this civility meme, but my favorite stuff comes from DanJ and DuWayne Brayton.

By: Stephanie Z

Stephanie Z — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:05:54 +0000

Kammy, ERV has a hilarious summary of this round. The accommodation tag at Dan's blog has some good summary and commentary and a bunch of links to the more general discussion that's been going on lately. Oh, and PZ has a brand new post at Pharyngula on the topic.

By: Dan J

Dan J — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:01:18 +0000

Kammy: For a good start, check Jerry Coyne's blog entry "The Big Accommodationism Debate: all relevant posts. Of course it doesn't necessarily include all relevant posts. I link to one of my own in the comments section there, as do others.

By: Dan J

Dan J — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:52:31 +0000

I think the "accommodation" tag on my blog is going to get worn out. I have so much I want to say about it, and so many bad words to use!