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		By: SCARY		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 06:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[SWINES IN TOP HATS SWINDLE

Glaxo is just a marketing hand
so who sold that vacc to the whole world carrying seeds of the next pandemic?
What state, what monster?
When failed, getting away to try again?
Like Oklahoma

your comment must be approved by 

OH YEAH?

guess where all the internet monitoring flows to and you guessed where that vaccine maker sits


According to a list compiled by Dr. Patricia Doyle at rense.com, a host of strange ingredients are used to make up Hoffman-La Roche&#039;s anti-flu drug Tamiflu, which has recently been connected with bizarre behavior, 

Patients using Tamiflu -- which many nations are stocking up on as a way to combat a possible pandemic of the deadly H5N1 bird flu -- reported delirium, hallucinations, delusions, convulsions, disturbed consciousness and abnormal behavior. The FDA reports that side effects reported with Tamiflu include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, bronchitis, stomach pain, dizziness and headache. 

ANTI-MONOPOLISTS VERY QUIET ON JUST ONE FIRM &#039;&#039;SERVING&#039;&#039; THE WHOLE WORLD]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SWINES IN TOP HATS SWINDLE</p>
<p>Glaxo is just a marketing hand<br />
so who sold that vacc to the whole world carrying seeds of the next pandemic?<br />
What state, what monster?<br />
When failed, getting away to try again?<br />
Like Oklahoma</p>
<p>your comment must be approved by </p>
<p>OH YEAH?</p>
<p>guess where all the internet monitoring flows to and you guessed where that vaccine maker sits</p>
<p>According to a list compiled by Dr. Patricia Doyle at rense.com, a host of strange ingredients are used to make up Hoffman-La Roche&#8217;s anti-flu drug Tamiflu, which has recently been connected with bizarre behavior, </p>
<p>Patients using Tamiflu &#8212; which many nations are stocking up on as a way to combat a possible pandemic of the deadly H5N1 bird flu &#8212; reported delirium, hallucinations, delusions, convulsions, disturbed consciousness and abnormal behavior. The FDA reports that side effects reported with Tamiflu include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, bronchitis, stomach pain, dizziness and headache. </p>
<p>ANTI-MONOPOLISTS VERY QUIET ON JUST ONE FIRM &#8221;SERVING&#8221; THE WHOLE WORLD</p>
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		By: Carl Troein		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carl Troein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A xanthine said: &lt;i&gt;I suggest people not get too complacent about statements about &quot;underlying health conditions&quot;.&lt;/i&gt;
Point taken. For one thing, either you have those, or you&#039;re young/old and vulnerable, or you&#039;re in the death-by-immune-response age bracket. Either way, the flu &lt;em&gt;will&lt;/em&gt; kill you.

Seriously, though, you&#039;re certainly right: we know that the people with some sort of health condition (does a common cold count??) are most likely to die, so the fact that old and sick people are the first to go should come as no surprise. And again, at this point there are still the resources and the incentive (at least here) to diagnose and treat patients, and once that fails I&#039;m sure we&#039;ll see a lot more young (meh!), healthy (cough!) and beautiful (hah!) people kick the bucket. (Note to my family: please quote me on that when you write my obituary.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A xanthine said: <i>I suggest people not get too complacent about statements about &#8220;underlying health conditions&#8221;.</i><br />
Point taken. For one thing, either you have those, or you&#8217;re young/old and vulnerable, or you&#8217;re in the death-by-immune-response age bracket. Either way, the flu <em>will</em> kill you.</p>
<p>Seriously, though, you&#8217;re certainly right: we know that the people with some sort of health condition (does a common cold count??) are most likely to die, so the fact that old and sick people are the first to go should come as no surprise. And again, at this point there are still the resources and the incentive (at least here) to diagnose and treat patients, and once that fails I&#8217;m sure we&#8217;ll see a lot more young (meh!), healthy (cough!) and beautiful (hah!) people kick the bucket. (Note to my family: please quote me on that when you write my obituary.)</p>
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		By: Theo Bromine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Theo Bromine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I suggest people not get too complacent about statements about &quot;underlying health conditions&quot;.  From what I have seen, it&#039;s a very broad definition, and includes, for example, cases like middle-aged people in reasonably good health with mild asthma. (http://www.medbroadcast.com/channel_health_news_details.asp?news_id=18468&amp;channel_id=1020)

I am annoyed with the public health departments here (Ontario, Canada) who are saying that they see no need to do any more reporting of cases or closing of schools etc, on the basis that they are handling H1N1/SOIV just like they would regular seasonal flu.  BUT, their normal approach for seasonal flu includes vaccinations for people with underlying risk factors - with no vaccinations for SOIV available yet, one would think they should take that into consideration.  (Yes, it&#039;s personal: I still have a nasty cough, asthma, and persistent headache (but at least I didnâ??t die) from the illness I contracted 2 weeks ago at a local elementary school , very likely S-OIV, but I canâ??t be sure since they are not doing testing any more (not that it would make much difference at this point except to satisfy my intellectual curiosity).)

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggest people not get too complacent about statements about &#8220;underlying health conditions&#8221;.  From what I have seen, it&#8217;s a very broad definition, and includes, for example, cases like middle-aged people in reasonably good health with mild asthma. (<a href="http://www.medbroadcast.com/channel_health_news_details.asp?news_id=18468&#038;channel_id=1020" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.medbroadcast.com/channel_health_news_details.asp?news_id=18468&#038;channel_id=1020</a>)</p>
<p>I am annoyed with the public health departments here (Ontario, Canada) who are saying that they see no need to do any more reporting of cases or closing of schools etc, on the basis that they are handling H1N1/SOIV just like they would regular seasonal flu.  BUT, their normal approach for seasonal flu includes vaccinations for people with underlying risk factors &#8211; with no vaccinations for SOIV available yet, one would think they should take that into consideration.  (Yes, it&#8217;s personal: I still have a nasty cough, asthma, and persistent headache (but at least I didnâ??t die) from the illness I contracted 2 weeks ago at a local elementary school , very likely S-OIV, but I canâ??t be sure since they are not doing testing any more (not that it would make much difference at this point except to satisfy my intellectual curiosity).)</p>
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		By: csrster		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 07:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Every news broadcast on these deaths seems to include the obligatory &quot;underlying health conditions&quot; rider. I realise that it would be bad reporting not to include it, but I do occasionally feel guilty at the &quot;phew, so I&#039;m alright&quot; reaction it inevitably induces. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every news broadcast on these deaths seems to include the obligatory &#8220;underlying health conditions&#8221; rider. I realise that it would be bad reporting not to include it, but I do occasionally feel guilty at the &#8220;phew, so I&#8217;m alright&#8221; reaction it inevitably induces. </p>
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		By: Carl Troein		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carl Troein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I suppose I should also say that no, I don&#039;t want the flu right now, and there&#039;s no need to cough on me if you think you&#039;ve got it, thank you very much.
And to clarify: the recent death in the UK was indeed the first in England. The other two were here in Scotland; one 73-year-old with &quot;very serious underlying health issues&quot; and a 38-year-old who was pregnant and reportedly had additional &quot;underlying health conditions&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose I should also say that no, I don&#8217;t want the flu right now, and there&#8217;s no need to cough on me if you think you&#8217;ve got it, thank you very much.<br />
And to clarify: the recent death in the UK was indeed the first in England. The other two were here in Scotland; one 73-year-old with &#8220;very serious underlying health issues&#8221; and a 38-year-old who was pregnant and reportedly had additional &#8220;underlying health conditions&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Carl Troein		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carl Troein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 05:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The 9-year-old girl in the UK was actually the third UK death, and (much like the other two, IIRC) she reportedly &quot;had other serious health problems&quot;, even to the point that it &quot;is not known if flu contributed to her death&quot;.

If you&#039;re going to catch this flu, now seems to be the right time for it. It&#039;s apparently not particularly deadly (yet), and there&#039;s the additional benefit of being treated and closely monitored by health professionals that aren&#039;t completely swamped by these cases (yet). Being isolated in a hospital must be a bit boring, but surely it&#039;s a small price to have paid for (possible) immunity, should the flu go all 1918 on us.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 9-year-old girl in the UK was actually the third UK death, and (much like the other two, IIRC) she reportedly &#8220;had other serious health problems&#8221;, even to the point that it &#8220;is not known if flu contributed to her death&#8221;.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to catch this flu, now seems to be the right time for it. It&#8217;s apparently not particularly deadly (yet), and there&#8217;s the additional benefit of being treated and closely monitored by health professionals that aren&#8217;t completely swamped by these cases (yet). Being isolated in a hospital must be a bit boring, but surely it&#8217;s a small price to have paid for (possible) immunity, should the flu go all 1918 on us.</p>
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		By: Eamon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eamon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Carlos,

I&#039;m a bit worried about a similar situation in Japan - there are strong pressures to go to work, and taking unnessary time off is a strong hit against one&#039;s record. Add in the fact that a lot of workers aren&#039;t even entitled to time off for sickness and that could add up to a lot of deaths.

The scams are also on the rise in Japan, targetting senior citizens: http://www.japantoday.com/category/kuchikomi/view/new-flu-fears-stir-swine-to-swindle-seniors]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carlos,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a bit worried about a similar situation in Japan &#8211; there are strong pressures to go to work, and taking unnessary time off is a strong hit against one&#8217;s record. Add in the fact that a lot of workers aren&#8217;t even entitled to time off for sickness and that could add up to a lot of deaths.</p>
<p>The scams are also on the rise in Japan, targetting senior citizens: <a href="http://www.japantoday.com/category/kuchikomi/view/new-flu-fears-stir-swine-to-swindle-seniors" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.japantoday.com/category/kuchikomi/view/new-flu-fears-stir-swine-to-swindle-seniors</a></p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Carlos, that has been on my mind as well.  That would make the American problem of kids going to camp look like very small change.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carlos, that has been on my mind as well.  That would make the American problem of kids going to camp look like very small change.  </p>
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		By: Carlos Hotta		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carlos Hotta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The brazilian guy that died was truck driver that kept driving for 5 days after his symptons started. I am really worried about the swine flu hitting Brazilian slums where the population is dense, a lot of times malnourished and afraid of seeking medical help due to costs or time taken.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The brazilian guy that died was truck driver that kept driving for 5 days after his symptons started. I am really worried about the swine flu hitting Brazilian slums where the population is dense, a lot of times malnourished and afraid of seeking medical help due to costs or time taken.</p>
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