Comments on: Important and cool nature and conservation news. https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/19/important-and-cool-nature-and/ Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:03:58 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.8 By: Greg Laden https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/19/important-and-cool-nature-and/#comment-538347 Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:03:58 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/06/19/important-and-cool-nature-and/#comment-538347 So a hands off policy may work, which would include among other things, not allowing the ivory trade (any form of it) to continue.

Also, a lot of people are going to have to be removed from areas where Elephants would normally move toi after they’ve destroyed all their forage.

]]> By: humorix https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/19/important-and-cool-nature-and/#comment-538346 Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:55:45 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/06/19/important-and-cool-nature-and/#comment-538346 Save small fishes: kill the sharks.
Save the sharks: plunge(dive)!

]]> By: Greg Laden https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/19/important-and-cool-nature-and/#comment-538345 Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:43:14 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/06/19/important-and-cool-nature-and/#comment-538345 Humorix, you can do both.

]]> By: humorix https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/19/important-and-cool-nature-and/#comment-538344 Sun, 21 Jun 2009 07:48:01 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/06/19/important-and-cool-nature-and/#comment-538344 In Africa the elephants plunder the small gardens at night. They trample everything ! They starve populations. It is normal to sell of the ivory. To save the man or to save the elephant?
En Afrique les éléphants saccagent les petits jardins la nuit. Ils piétinent tout ! Ils affament des populations. C’est normal de vendre de l’ivoire. Sauver l’homme ou sauver l’éléphant ?

]]> By: Rystefn https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/19/important-and-cool-nature-and/#comment-538343 Sun, 21 Jun 2009 01:04:02 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/06/19/important-and-cool-nature-and/#comment-538343 I figured as much. Hope you looked up “hyperbole” as well. I won’t be back.

]]> By: DDeden https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/19/important-and-cool-nature-and/#comment-538342 Sat, 20 Jun 2009 20:55:29 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/06/19/important-and-cool-nature-and/#comment-538342 Oyster festival in Arcata, didn’t go (no cash flow).

Ivory? Rhino horn? Why not produce micro-elephants with big tusks and micro-rhinos with triple horns in forest reserves?
Is it really better to chop down the forests to plant corn, tobacco, cotton, oil palm and then shoo away all the megafauna? Micro-size! Genetically alter the suckers just like we did with cattle.

]]> By: Greg Laden https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/19/important-and-cool-nature-and/#comment-538341 Sat, 20 Jun 2009 18:32:26 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/06/19/important-and-cool-nature-and/#comment-538341 Rystefn,

I am not going to get into a protracted argument with you because I don’t feel like being annoyed that much. I’ll only say this: It has been shown empirically and theoretically (empirically by Leakey, theoretically by Pagel in a piece in Nature ca 1990) that killing the market … including your snarky narwale tusk market … is the only reliable way to make a measurable meaningful dent in this kind of market.

At one end (the consumer end) eliminate all sales of all ivory. All. Ivory. 99.99999 percent of the time the consumer can be successfully lied to as to where the ivory comes from, in any market including the antique market. At the other end (production) burning all the ivory, ironically but in truth, works best.

Now, you may proceed to argue semantics, faux economics, produce absurd counter examples, etc. for the next few weeks, but since the proceeds from this post do NOT go to the Ituri Forest People’s fund I’ll be ignoring you. Others may chose to engage as they wish, of course.

And, I’ll have you know, I never speak in hyperbole. Ever.

]]> By: Rystefn https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/19/important-and-cool-nature-and/#comment-538340 Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:46:02 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/06/19/important-and-cool-nature-and/#comment-538340 Wait… so if I buy a 200 year old narwhal tusk, I’m poaching an African elephant right now? I think you overstate your case, Greg. I mean, I speak in hyperbole more often than not, but seriously.

]]> By: yogi-one https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/19/important-and-cool-nature-and/#comment-538339 Sat, 20 Jun 2009 13:44:11 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/06/19/important-and-cool-nature-and/#comment-538339 Good luck on getting the whole world to quit eating seafood. Sounds kind of like Christians telling everybody in Africa to practice abstinence.

Gee, I guess if EVERYBODY ELSE (besides us enlightened folks) would ‘get it’ all our problems would be solved, wouldn’t they?

Damn, it’s lonely at the top…

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