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	Comments on: Photo Shop on Windows vs. Ice Cream (ice cream wins)	</title>
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		By: Ben Zvan		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/18/photo-shop-on-windows-vs-ice-c/#comment-538214</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben Zvan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I wonder if Google conversion knows about this particular conversation. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Export 400 jpg at 1000px on long side = One dish of ice cream
Boot Windows = 1 delivery pizza]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I wonder if Google conversion knows about this particular conversation. </p></blockquote>
<p>Export 400 jpg at 1000px on long side = One dish of ice cream<br />
Boot Windows = 1 delivery pizza</p>
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		By: Mike V		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/18/photo-shop-on-windows-vs-ice-c/#comment-538213</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike V]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If she wants to be able to do it from inside Windows, then &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/Downloads/powertoys/Xppowertoys.mspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;there&#039;s a PowerToy for that&lt;/a&gt; called Image Resizer.  You can select a bunch of image files, right click and select &#039;resize&#039;, and it gives you a list of common sizes, as well as a custom size option.

Of course, if it&#039;s an IT-managed system that may not be an option.  At my last job, the IT department tried to control what we had installed on our Linux laptops, and we were all OS and system developers.  They weren&#039;t particularly successful. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If she wants to be able to do it from inside Windows, then <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/Downloads/powertoys/Xppowertoys.mspx" rel="nofollow">there&#8217;s a PowerToy for that</a> called Image Resizer.  You can select a bunch of image files, right click and select &#8216;resize&#8217;, and it gives you a list of common sizes, as well as a custom size option.</p>
<p>Of course, if it&#8217;s an IT-managed system that may not be an option.  At my last job, the IT department tried to control what we had installed on our Linux laptops, and we were all OS and system developers.  They weren&#8217;t particularly successful. 🙂</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Hey Greg, I have one of those Mac 3-button mice.&lt;/em&gt;

I know but you are also RHL certified and I&#039;ve seen you issue bash commands on your sony TV using your play station as in interface between your BSD based laptop and one of the servers in your basement which I think was controlling the main data storage units at a major research institution, so you definitely do not count.  


&lt;em&gt;419 12MPx Canon RAW images exporting to fit-to-1000px in .jpg format. It ran 13 minutes but included some exposure and color corrections as part of the export.&lt;/em&gt;

I had almost exactly the same result, which also turns out to be the amount of time it takes to go to the Cub up the street, buy some ice cream, bring it back, serve it up and just start eating it.  

I wonder if Google conversion knows about this particular conversation.  
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Hey Greg, I have one of those Mac 3-button mice.</em></p>
<p>I know but you are also RHL certified and I&#8217;ve seen you issue bash commands on your sony TV using your play station as in interface between your BSD based laptop and one of the servers in your basement which I think was controlling the main data storage units at a major research institution, so you definitely do not count.  </p>
<p><em>419 12MPx Canon RAW images exporting to fit-to-1000px in .jpg format. It ran 13 minutes but included some exposure and color corrections as part of the export.</em></p>
<p>I had almost exactly the same result, which also turns out to be the amount of time it takes to go to the Cub up the street, buy some ice cream, bring it back, serve it up and just start eating it.  </p>
<p>I wonder if Google conversion knows about this particular conversation.  </p>
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		By: Ben Zvan		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/18/photo-shop-on-windows-vs-ice-c/#comment-538211</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben Zvan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey Greg, I have one of those Mac 3-button mice.

Photoshop isn&#039;t really the tool for converting RAW files, but it does have a very robust batch-processing function (File:Automate:Batch...) that could probably be set up for RAW files. The trick would be to get it to override the RAW import dialogue. The functionality of Photoshop between Mac OS and Windows is effectively identical.

Lightroom would be a better choice and it would be a two-step process, one to import and one to export. You&#039;d also be able to preview and choose photos before doing the export. For importing, the limiting factor is the speed of the source media. I just ran a quick test with 419 12MPx Canon RAW images exporting to fit-to-1000px in .jpg format. It ran 13 minutes but included some exposure and color corrections as part of the export.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Greg, I have one of those Mac 3-button mice.</p>
<p>Photoshop isn&#8217;t really the tool for converting RAW files, but it does have a very robust batch-processing function (File:Automate:Batch&#8230;) that could probably be set up for RAW files. The trick would be to get it to override the RAW import dialogue. The functionality of Photoshop between Mac OS and Windows is effectively identical.</p>
<p>Lightroom would be a better choice and it would be a two-step process, one to import and one to export. You&#8217;d also be able to preview and choose photos before doing the export. For importing, the limiting factor is the speed of the source media. I just ran a quick test with 419 12MPx Canon RAW images exporting to fit-to-1000px in .jpg format. It ran 13 minutes but included some exposure and color corrections as part of the export.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Basically, I think the problem was not windows: it was lack of knowledge. &lt;/em&gt;

As I have pointed out above, it is lack of knowledge. It is lack of knowledge in the area of managed windows systems and windows security that disallow the installation of the best software for the job, of the same institutionalized ignorance that does not even produce the second best software for the job,the lack of knowledge of command line approaches that permeates the entire Windows World .. see my comments elsehwere on the elusive Mac Three Button Mouse ... 

&lt;em&gt;So far what I&#039;ve learned from Greg about Linux is that it is intended to be as unapproachable as possible so that only elite, determined, and bored persons can get into it. That way only the crem get to be Linux users, leaving no need for user support in a world of admin class users. I know this to be hyperbole.&lt;/em&gt;

There was a time when that would not have been hyperbole at all; Even just a few years ago it was very common that if &#039;noob&#039; asked a basic question on a Linux forum the &#039;experts&#039; would spend far more time chastizing the noob than simply answering the question.

Also, as I have been saying all along, and here we are agreeing, the difference is not the software, or the OS, as much as it is the culture.

But then, the culture determines how the OS is maintained, the operational models of the software, and the standing actual (as in it actually matters) implementation in real life (see three button mac mouse, again).

However, it is also true that the Linux world has done a virtual 180 on this over the last two years.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Basically, I think the problem was not windows: it was lack of knowledge. </em></p>
<p>As I have pointed out above, it is lack of knowledge. It is lack of knowledge in the area of managed windows systems and windows security that disallow the installation of the best software for the job, of the same institutionalized ignorance that does not even produce the second best software for the job,the lack of knowledge of command line approaches that permeates the entire Windows World .. see my comments elsehwere on the elusive Mac Three Button Mouse &#8230; </p>
<p><em>So far what I&#8217;ve learned from Greg about Linux is that it is intended to be as unapproachable as possible so that only elite, determined, and bored persons can get into it. That way only the crem get to be Linux users, leaving no need for user support in a world of admin class users. I know this to be hyperbole.</em></p>
<p>There was a time when that would not have been hyperbole at all; Even just a few years ago it was very common that if &#8216;noob&#8217; asked a basic question on a Linux forum the &#8216;experts&#8217; would spend far more time chastizing the noob than simply answering the question.</p>
<p>Also, as I have been saying all along, and here we are agreeing, the difference is not the software, or the OS, as much as it is the culture.</p>
<p>But then, the culture determines how the OS is maintained, the operational models of the software, and the standing actual (as in it actually matters) implementation in real life (see three button mac mouse, again).</p>
<p>However, it is also true that the Linux world has done a virtual 180 on this over the last two years.</p>
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		By: Spiv		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/18/photo-shop-on-windows-vs-ice-c/#comment-538209</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Spiv]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Irfanview++. There&#039;s not really even a need to copy the initial files off the flash drive with that, just output to a local drive. Plus you get a nice interface to select all your options, image quality settings, sampling methods etc, instead of having to hunt through man pages to discover them all.

Granted it&#039;s not part of the shipped microsoft load, because it&#039;s not a microsoft product, and of course microsoft distributions are not open source allowing people to assemble packages. Which isn&#039;t to say it isn&#039;t part of /my/ standard load, along with many other fantastic free tools.

Basically, I think the problem was not windows: it was lack of knowledge. Which I suspect was the very same lack of knowledge said person had of linux command line operations in general.

I still do all my batch renames from windows and dos command lines. Not because there aren&#039;t tools to do it in windows, but because I&#039;m an old codger who has been beating up computers for far too long to bother with your new fangled mouse clicking/pushing. I suspect Greg is a similar grump.

So far what I&#039;ve learned from Greg about Linux is that it is intended to be as unapproachable as possible so that only elite, determined, and bored persons can get into it. That way only the crem get to be Linux users, leaving no need for user support in a world of admin class users. I know this to be hyperbole.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irfanview++. There&#8217;s not really even a need to copy the initial files off the flash drive with that, just output to a local drive. Plus you get a nice interface to select all your options, image quality settings, sampling methods etc, instead of having to hunt through man pages to discover them all.</p>
<p>Granted it&#8217;s not part of the shipped microsoft load, because it&#8217;s not a microsoft product, and of course microsoft distributions are not open source allowing people to assemble packages. Which isn&#8217;t to say it isn&#8217;t part of /my/ standard load, along with many other fantastic free tools.</p>
<p>Basically, I think the problem was not windows: it was lack of knowledge. Which I suspect was the very same lack of knowledge said person had of linux command line operations in general.</p>
<p>I still do all my batch renames from windows and dos command lines. Not because there aren&#8217;t tools to do it in windows, but because I&#8217;m an old codger who has been beating up computers for far too long to bother with your new fangled mouse clicking/pushing. I suspect Greg is a similar grump.</p>
<p>So far what I&#8217;ve learned from Greg about Linux is that it is intended to be as unapproachable as possible so that only elite, determined, and bored persons can get into it. That way only the crem get to be Linux users, leaving no need for user support in a world of admin class users. I know this to be hyperbole.</p>
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		By: Andrew		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/18/photo-shop-on-windows-vs-ice-c/#comment-538208</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If the entire GUI paradigm is what keeps us from getting our finger gooey with ice cream, than I say &quot;wash your hands of the GUI paradigm!!!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the entire GUI paradigm is what keeps us from getting our finger gooey with ice cream, than I say &#8220;wash your hands of the GUI paradigm!!!&#8221;</p>
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		By: Andrew		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/18/photo-shop-on-windows-vs-ice-c/#comment-538207</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If the entire GUI paradigm is what keeps us from getting our finger gooey with ice cream, than I say &quot;wash your hands of the GUI paradigm!!!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the entire GUI paradigm is what keeps us from getting our finger gooey with ice cream, than I say &#8220;wash your hands of the GUI paradigm!!!&#8221;</p>
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		By: Dunc		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/18/photo-shop-on-windows-vs-ice-c/#comment-538206</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dunc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[GIMP FTW! :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GIMP FTW! 🙂</p>
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		By: greg laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[greg laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dunc:  I&#039;ll let the Adobe Symps chew you up for dissing their product as Shonky and Third Party (Green? Libertarian?)

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dunc:  I&#8217;ll let the Adobe Symps chew you up for dissing their product as Shonky and Third Party (Green? Libertarian?)</p>
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