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		By: Bill James		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/10/white-supremacist-shoots-guard/#comment-537765</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I sat in on a meeting of our local subcommittee on community development as they prepared an annual report for the city council and therein the report was a line that said housing starts for the year ending was up 200%. This is a town of thirty thousand and damn hard to miss any development of significance, yet here was this bouquet of roses inserted into the report when all expectations was quite the opposite. So I asked the chairman just how many housing starts we had? Two. Two? Two. So the year before we had? One. One? One. Uh huh. 

The final report to the city council listed housing starts up 200% over the previous year which they accepted as the bright spot that it was and would cheerfully regurgitate that golden nugget on request. While the city is three hundred and fifty million in the hole coupled with unprecedented job loss, fear not humble citizen for housing starts are up two hundred fucking percent -- and sunshine is right around the corner. Wow! Really?

So we have a group of White Nationalists get into an internal pissing contest over single versus dual seedline Christian Identity and one guy splinters off with a PHPbb message board on a $5/month hosting account whilst dragging its three friends and the SPLC reports that hate groups increased 53% last year. 

Meanwhile over at the Department of Homeland Security they&#039;ve reportedly thwarted several terrorist attempts thus saving America from untold carnage but unfortunately they can&#039;t tell us about it or offer any evidence because is a secret and we&#039;ll just have to take their word for it. But take heart good citizen for we have amassed the best team of report writers on the planet. Forests tremble in fear. 

This same DHS, so in tune with the pulse of America and the task at hand given resources allotted they need assemble a group of Science Fiction writers for threat creation and assessment prior to participation in budget hearings on the Hill. Talking points needed. Money at stake. And reality takes a holiday.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sat in on a meeting of our local subcommittee on community development as they prepared an annual report for the city council and therein the report was a line that said housing starts for the year ending was up 200%. This is a town of thirty thousand and damn hard to miss any development of significance, yet here was this bouquet of roses inserted into the report when all expectations was quite the opposite. So I asked the chairman just how many housing starts we had? Two. Two? Two. So the year before we had? One. One? One. Uh huh. </p>
<p>The final report to the city council listed housing starts up 200% over the previous year which they accepted as the bright spot that it was and would cheerfully regurgitate that golden nugget on request. While the city is three hundred and fifty million in the hole coupled with unprecedented job loss, fear not humble citizen for housing starts are up two hundred fucking percent &#8212; and sunshine is right around the corner. Wow! Really?</p>
<p>So we have a group of White Nationalists get into an internal pissing contest over single versus dual seedline Christian Identity and one guy splinters off with a PHPbb message board on a $5/month hosting account whilst dragging its three friends and the SPLC reports that hate groups increased 53% last year. </p>
<p>Meanwhile over at the Department of Homeland Security they&#8217;ve reportedly thwarted several terrorist attempts thus saving America from untold carnage but unfortunately they can&#8217;t tell us about it or offer any evidence because is a secret and we&#8217;ll just have to take their word for it. But take heart good citizen for we have amassed the best team of report writers on the planet. Forests tremble in fear. </p>
<p>This same DHS, so in tune with the pulse of America and the task at hand given resources allotted they need assemble a group of Science Fiction writers for threat creation and assessment prior to participation in budget hearings on the Hill. Talking points needed. Money at stake. And reality takes a holiday.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Robert		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/10/white-supremacist-shoots-guard/#comment-537763</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Every day a thousand &quot;crazy people&quot; kill a thousand other people.  The chance of there being an apparent political motivation without there really being one is zero. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every day a thousand &#8220;crazy people&#8221; kill a thousand other people.  The chance of there being an apparent political motivation without there really being one is zero. </p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Could be, one would have to actually read the report. But just to be clear:  My earlier non-citation was not of Homeland Security citing the SLPC. It was homeland security&#039;s own report, and in fact, it might even have been a secret report not yet release that has been talked about.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could be, one would have to actually read the report. But just to be clear:  My earlier non-citation was not of Homeland Security citing the SLPC. It was homeland security&#8217;s own report, and in fact, it might even have been a secret report not yet release that has been talked about.  </p>
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		By: James Sweet		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/10/white-supremacist-shoots-guard/#comment-537761</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Sweet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eh, okay, I&#039;m not making a judgment either way about whether hate groups have been on the rise... but citing the government citing SPLC comes with a mighty-sized asterisk:

SLPC has been expanding their scope in terms of classifying hate groups.  I happen to &lt;i&gt;agree&lt;/i&gt; with their expanding criteria (e.g. adding anti-gay groups like the Family Research Council)...  but the fact that the SLPC&#039;s intelligence report is listing more hate groups does not &lt;i&gt;necessarily&lt;/i&gt; mean that there are more hate groups.  Those groups could have been there all along, and SLPC just got the balls to call them what they are.

I don&#039;t know as that counts for the whole effect.  It could be that hate groups are on the rise anyway.  I&#039;m just sayin&#039;, the number of groups listed in the SLPC intelligence report is not where I would get my numbers from...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh, okay, I&#8217;m not making a judgment either way about whether hate groups have been on the rise&#8230; but citing the government citing SPLC comes with a mighty-sized asterisk:</p>
<p>SLPC has been expanding their scope in terms of classifying hate groups.  I happen to <i>agree</i> with their expanding criteria (e.g. adding anti-gay groups like the Family Research Council)&#8230;  but the fact that the SLPC&#8217;s intelligence report is listing more hate groups does not <i>necessarily</i> mean that there are more hate groups.  Those groups could have been there all along, and SLPC just got the balls to call them what they are.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know as that counts for the whole effect.  It could be that hate groups are on the rise anyway.  I&#8217;m just sayin&#8217;, the number of groups listed in the SLPC intelligence report is not where I would get my numbers from&#8230;</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/10/white-supremacist-shoots-guard/#comment-537760</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Citation: We haz it:

http://tinyurl.com/l2ez29

&lt;blockquote&gt;Last week, we released our annual hate group count in the latest edition of the Southern Poverty Law Centerâ??s Intelligence Report. The key finding was that the number of hate groups operating in the United States continued to rise in 2008 and has grown by 54% since 2000 â?? an increase fueled last year by immigration fears, a failing economy and the successful campaign of Barack Obama.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is not actually the report I heard about, but it is useful.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Citation: We haz it:</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/l2ez29" rel="nofollow ugc">http://tinyurl.com/l2ez29</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Last week, we released our annual hate group count in the latest edition of the Southern Poverty Law Centerâ??s Intelligence Report. The key finding was that the number of hate groups operating in the United States continued to rise in 2008 and has grown by 54% since 2000 â?? an increase fueled last year by immigration fears, a failing economy and the successful campaign of Barack Obama.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is not actually the report I heard about, but it is useful.  </p>
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		By: thom		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/10/white-supremacist-shoots-guard/#comment-537759</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 09:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ernest, you say &lt;em&gt;Then please explain the recent filthy, hate-filled, back-stabbing tirades by David Letterman (and Sandra Bernhard) against a leading evangelical named Sarah Palin&lt;/em&gt;

Easy.  Letterman is a comedian.  Palin is a joke.  Comedian, meet joke.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ernest, you say <em>Then please explain the recent filthy, hate-filled, back-stabbing tirades by David Letterman (and Sandra Bernhard) against a leading evangelical named Sarah Palin</em></p>
<p>Easy.  Letterman is a comedian.  Palin is a joke.  Comedian, meet joke.  </p>
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		By: Andrew		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/10/white-supremacist-shoots-guard/#comment-537758</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 09:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Connection ...

From MSNBC:

&lt;em&gt;Distributor of white racist music, writing
Todd Blodgett, a former Reagan White House aide who later worked with several extremist groups, met regularly with von Brunn in the 1990s and early 2000s.

&quot;Von Brunn is obsessed with Jewish people,&quot; Blodgett said. &quot;He had equal contempt for both Jews and blacks, but if he had to pick one group to wipe out, he&#039;d always say it would be Jews.&quot; &lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Connection &#8230;</p>
<p>From MSNBC:</p>
<p><em>Distributor of white racist music, writing<br />
Todd Blodgett, a former Reagan White House aide who later worked with several extremist groups, met regularly with von Brunn in the 1990s and early 2000s.</p>
<p>&#8220;Von Brunn is obsessed with Jewish people,&#8221; Blodgett said. &#8220;He had equal contempt for both Jews and blacks, but if he had to pick one group to wipe out, he&#8217;d always say it would be Jews.&#8221; </em></p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 09:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;I wouldn&#039;t agree that the number of hate groups has risen in the U.S. nor that membership within those groups has increased.&lt;/em&gt;

There is a homeland security report that says that this is true, referred to on the news last night (sorry, can&#039;t give citation). ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I wouldn&#8217;t agree that the number of hate groups has risen in the U.S. nor that membership within those groups has increased.</em></p>
<p>There is a homeland security report that says that this is true, referred to on the news last night (sorry, can&#8217;t give citation). </p>
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		By: James Sweet		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/10/white-supremacist-shoots-guard/#comment-537756</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Sweet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Ernest:  If what you are attempting to do here is use the Bible to form some kind of argument that criticism of Sarah Palin is responsible for anti-Semitism, you&#039;re not going to get very far in this venue.  Your conclusion would be unpopular, so it would need a solid premise and clever argument... and frankly, your premise is laughable and your argument fallacious.  So, yeah... try somewhere else.  Bible quoting at ScienceBlogs = FAIL.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ernest:  If what you are attempting to do here is use the Bible to form some kind of argument that criticism of Sarah Palin is responsible for anti-Semitism, you&#8217;re not going to get very far in this venue.  Your conclusion would be unpopular, so it would need a solid premise and clever argument&#8230; and frankly, your premise is laughable and your argument fallacious.  So, yeah&#8230; try somewhere else.  Bible quoting at ScienceBlogs = FAIL.</p>
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