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		By: XTO		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/04/rape-switch-hypothesis-still-g/#comment-536771</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2015 18:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I just finished conducting M.Sc research on the &#039;Social Determinants and Consequences of Rape in a local government area here in Nigeria, and the findings are very interesting and i just wish i could publish it on any International Journal abroad for enlightenment and more ways for future researches.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished conducting M.Sc research on the &#8216;Social Determinants and Consequences of Rape in a local government area here in Nigeria, and the findings are very interesting and i just wish i could publish it on any International Journal abroad for enlightenment and more ways for future researches.</p>
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		By: Lexi		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/04/rape-switch-hypothesis-still-g/#comment-536770</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lexi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You say people fantasize about homocidal acts but not about rape?
Have you EVER looked at porn?
Men jack off by the trillions to women who are held down and fucked and it&#039;s sold as &#039;consensual sex&#039; Male dominated porn is the norm. Male dominated sex in movies, films and tv shows is the norm. Rape scenes in movies are over sexualized- so to create &quot;sexy rape scenes&quot; Rape is considered a turn on to men in over 99 percent of pornography. Not to say all men are turned on by male dominance, but they&#039;re taught they should through the porn industry and through movie after movie. 1/3 of all films released in the past ten years contain a rape scene. why has no one noticed this is a problem?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say people fantasize about homocidal acts but not about rape?<br />
Have you EVER looked at porn?<br />
Men jack off by the trillions to women who are held down and fucked and it&#8217;s sold as &#8216;consensual sex&#8217; Male dominated porn is the norm. Male dominated sex in movies, films and tv shows is the norm. Rape scenes in movies are over sexualized- so to create &#8220;sexy rape scenes&#8221; Rape is considered a turn on to men in over 99 percent of pornography. Not to say all men are turned on by male dominance, but they&#8217;re taught they should through the porn industry and through movie after movie. 1/3 of all films released in the past ten years contain a rape scene. why has no one noticed this is a problem?</p>
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		By: the real meme		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/04/rape-switch-hypothesis-still-g/#comment-536769</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[the real meme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jason: &quot;You used it elsewhere to suggest that the populace of Liberia might have these predilections toward child molestation.&quot;

Your language is western language, and very judgemental--biased, as you have been trained to accept such terminology at the expense of objectivity.

I have consistently--and you can hunt me down elsewhere on the internet for that fact--consistently asked for data, suggested a need for alternative hypothesis, and been routinely dismissed in my quest. 

A &quot;conspiracy&quot; as you suggest, is not my own suggestion, but rather a collusion of biased reporters, and biased ppl who know better, but more often than not refuse to divulge data.

Most importantly, my hypothesis is not laden with judgmental or necessarily &#039;blaming&#039; terminology. The thesis is simple: I suggest over and over and over that perhaps maternal socio-genital practices contribute to later violence in males,for which males alone are blamed,  and also, I sugest, that this contributes to a culture of violence, and also the lack of males reporting their own rapes, or other violations against them.

Is that so hard to &quot;get&quot;? I would imagine that yourself, a self-reported survivor of FALSE RAPE ALLEGATIONS MIGHT FIND THAT INTERESTING IN THE VERY LEAST, and much in the interest of your potential male progeny to know. False allegations, my friend, are womens violence *in lieu of physical size* with which they can otherwise violate males; that violence manifesting itself in the pardigms of power that uphold false rape allegations at your, and other mens expense.

That same physical size--and I also suggest psychological control over males--is present in childhood, and weilded quite effectively by women who create rapists, and soldiers who rape.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason: &#8220;You used it elsewhere to suggest that the populace of Liberia might have these predilections toward child molestation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Your language is western language, and very judgemental&#8211;biased, as you have been trained to accept such terminology at the expense of objectivity.</p>
<p>I have consistently&#8211;and you can hunt me down elsewhere on the internet for that fact&#8211;consistently asked for data, suggested a need for alternative hypothesis, and been routinely dismissed in my quest. </p>
<p>A &#8220;conspiracy&#8221; as you suggest, is not my own suggestion, but rather a collusion of biased reporters, and biased ppl who know better, but more often than not refuse to divulge data.</p>
<p>Most importantly, my hypothesis is not laden with judgmental or necessarily &#8216;blaming&#8217; terminology. The thesis is simple: I suggest over and over and over that perhaps maternal socio-genital practices contribute to later violence in males,for which males alone are blamed,  and also, I sugest, that this contributes to a culture of violence, and also the lack of males reporting their own rapes, or other violations against them.</p>
<p>Is that so hard to &#8220;get&#8221;? I would imagine that yourself, a self-reported survivor of FALSE RAPE ALLEGATIONS MIGHT FIND THAT INTERESTING IN THE VERY LEAST, and much in the interest of your potential male progeny to know. False allegations, my friend, are womens violence *in lieu of physical size* with which they can otherwise violate males; that violence manifesting itself in the pardigms of power that uphold false rape allegations at your, and other mens expense.</p>
<p>That same physical size&#8211;and I also suggest psychological control over males&#8211;is present in childhood, and weilded quite effectively by women who create rapists, and soldiers who rape.</p>
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		By: Ana Arguelles		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/04/rape-switch-hypothesis-still-g/#comment-536768</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ana Arguelles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 22:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think there is a reduction in rape.  I think the way rape is committed has changed.  It has become easier to get away with it.  There is the use of drugs to commit rape which means women usually don&#039;t even report because there are no signs of physical force and unable to provide testimony of what happened because there is no memory.  Many rape drugs are out of the system or not tested for and give the appearance of drunkeness.  
Rape is not a sucessful reproductive strategy. In humans to merely impregnate does not offer a very good chance of assuring one&#039;s DNA lives on.  A pregnant woman is very vulnerable in our â??wildâ?  evolutionary environment of the past and shunning or stoning to death of an unwed mother or a rape victim is pretty common even today thus making the babyâ??s and her survival even less likely. There is also rape of babies, children, grandmothers and men. Wife and child beaters are also in the same category as rapists even if there is no sexual component to their aggression.  It stems for them from a feeling of inadequacy and powerlessness in the wider world.  
Rape as weapon of war allows individuals who would have never engaged in such behavior to be in an environment where such actions are allowed and even rewarded.  It is not meant as a reproductive strategy but to demoralize and destroy the enemy.  Perhaps the reproductive strategy lies in keeping other&#039;s DNA from surviving and competing for resources with the rapist&#039;s.  
What about outside of war? We live in increasingly anonymous societies which allow individuals to hide unacceptable activities and/or to feel supported and enabled by participating in a community of like-minded individuals scattered throughout the world through the use of the internet. The demeaning of women, &quot;it&#039;s all about me&quot; attitude, the institutional apathy, rejection and attack of rape victims, the inaction when a rapists is identified takes any fear of consequences as a deterrent. Simple costs and benefits analysis. Who is the defective individual from nature&#039;s point of view the rapist or the victim?  Individuals who believe in the rule of law and in the innate goodness of the majority of individuals are the ones who are mistaken and need to restructure their beliefs grounded in reality in order to survive effectively. The victim is upholding their end of the societal contract and the rapist is not and society is not.  Seeing society as a contract for survival and the individual participates and contributes in expectation of certain guarantees. Therein the victim becomes the defective one in nature as she/he is relying on someone other than themselves to safeward their physical and psychological integrity.  It was me that was the equivalent of a dinosaur destined for extinction.  It was not a matter of reasonable doubt for a rapist.  The expectation for help, goodwill or justice is wrong and once that is understood then one stops being the victim not just of the rape but of society at large. 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think there is a reduction in rape.  I think the way rape is committed has changed.  It has become easier to get away with it.  There is the use of drugs to commit rape which means women usually don&#8217;t even report because there are no signs of physical force and unable to provide testimony of what happened because there is no memory.  Many rape drugs are out of the system or not tested for and give the appearance of drunkeness.<br />
Rape is not a sucessful reproductive strategy. In humans to merely impregnate does not offer a very good chance of assuring one&#8217;s DNA lives on.  A pregnant woman is very vulnerable in our â??wildâ?  evolutionary environment of the past and shunning or stoning to death of an unwed mother or a rape victim is pretty common even today thus making the babyâ??s and her survival even less likely. There is also rape of babies, children, grandmothers and men. Wife and child beaters are also in the same category as rapists even if there is no sexual component to their aggression.  It stems for them from a feeling of inadequacy and powerlessness in the wider world.<br />
Rape as weapon of war allows individuals who would have never engaged in such behavior to be in an environment where such actions are allowed and even rewarded.  It is not meant as a reproductive strategy but to demoralize and destroy the enemy.  Perhaps the reproductive strategy lies in keeping other&#8217;s DNA from surviving and competing for resources with the rapist&#8217;s.<br />
What about outside of war? We live in increasingly anonymous societies which allow individuals to hide unacceptable activities and/or to feel supported and enabled by participating in a community of like-minded individuals scattered throughout the world through the use of the internet. The demeaning of women, &#8220;it&#8217;s all about me&#8221; attitude, the institutional apathy, rejection and attack of rape victims, the inaction when a rapists is identified takes any fear of consequences as a deterrent. Simple costs and benefits analysis. Who is the defective individual from nature&#8217;s point of view the rapist or the victim?  Individuals who believe in the rule of law and in the innate goodness of the majority of individuals are the ones who are mistaken and need to restructure their beliefs grounded in reality in order to survive effectively. The victim is upholding their end of the societal contract and the rapist is not and society is not.  Seeing society as a contract for survival and the individual participates and contributes in expectation of certain guarantees. Therein the victim becomes the defective one in nature as she/he is relying on someone other than themselves to safeward their physical and psychological integrity.  It was me that was the equivalent of a dinosaur destined for extinction.  It was not a matter of reasonable doubt for a rapist.  The expectation for help, goodwill or justice is wrong and once that is understood then one stops being the victim not just of the rape but of society at large. </p>
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		By: Jason Thibeault		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/04/rape-switch-hypothesis-still-g/#comment-536767</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Thibeault]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 23:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think you&#039;re just using that example to illustrate a point though.  You used it elsewhere to suggest that the populace of Liberia might have these predilections toward child molestation.  And you often rant about how a matriarchal conspiracy is behind all of society&#039;s ills, so it wouldn&#039;t surprise me that you really do believe this.  You also falsely claim that discussions about rape are always framed (around here) as being males raping females.  The soldiers in this warzone example are predominantly male, the victims are predominantly female (but I&#039;m assuming not always).  The example of Lynndie England was brought up (and duly ignored).  Likewise, I am (usually) careful to frame my arguments in gender-neutral terms because I am as aware as you are that rapists are not constrained to one gender.  Except that now you ARE arguing that rapists are constrained to a gender, males, after females molested them as children.  So you&#039;re arguing that all child molesters are females, that child molestation leads to becoming a rapist, and that all rapists are males, all at a shot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re just using that example to illustrate a point though.  You used it elsewhere to suggest that the populace of Liberia might have these predilections toward child molestation.  And you often rant about how a matriarchal conspiracy is behind all of society&#8217;s ills, so it wouldn&#8217;t surprise me that you really do believe this.  You also falsely claim that discussions about rape are always framed (around here) as being males raping females.  The soldiers in this warzone example are predominantly male, the victims are predominantly female (but I&#8217;m assuming not always).  The example of Lynndie England was brought up (and duly ignored).  Likewise, I am (usually) careful to frame my arguments in gender-neutral terms because I am as aware as you are that rapists are not constrained to one gender.  Except that now you ARE arguing that rapists are constrained to a gender, males, after females molested them as children.  So you&#8217;re arguing that all child molesters are females, that child molestation leads to becoming a rapist, and that all rapists are males, all at a shot.</p>
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		By: the real me		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/04/rape-switch-hypothesis-still-g/#comment-536766</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 23:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s the point, Jason. And I didn&#039;t stop there, if you notice, I left room for the fact that every woman has a child molestation switch. It is as likely as a rape switch in men, based on the evidence, and the biological impulses, or instinctual &#039;switches&#039; of mammals.

Aceptable? Who am I to attempt to lay down rules? Although the rules are clear: always frame discussions in terms of males as rapists, wait for the sparks to fly, watch the blog hit-counter, and rake in the pennies--but just don&#039;t mention the other side of the coin, which is women as likely pedophiles. 

No, I really don&#039;t think either is acceptable, but in the rhetoric, it is as likely. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the point, Jason. And I didn&#8217;t stop there, if you notice, I left room for the fact that every woman has a child molestation switch. It is as likely as a rape switch in men, based on the evidence, and the biological impulses, or instinctual &#8216;switches&#8217; of mammals.</p>
<p>Aceptable? Who am I to attempt to lay down rules? Although the rules are clear: always frame discussions in terms of males as rapists, wait for the sparks to fly, watch the blog hit-counter, and rake in the pennies&#8211;but just don&#8217;t mention the other side of the coin, which is women as likely pedophiles. </p>
<p>No, I really don&#8217;t think either is acceptable, but in the rhetoric, it is as likely. </p>
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		By: Jason Thibeault		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/04/rape-switch-hypothesis-still-g/#comment-536765</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Thibeault]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 23:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;The really preposterous thing is that saying there is a rape switch in war is like saying there is a prostitution switch any and every time there is a wallet or some financial or emotional security around, or that their is a fuck-any-and-all-comers-for-food security mechanism in *all women*. You just can&#039;t generalize.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But suggesting that every male rapist, or even a preponderance of male rapists, is the result of a woman touching him or licking his ass and genitals when he was a boy, is acceptable?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The really preposterous thing is that saying there is a rape switch in war is like saying there is a prostitution switch any and every time there is a wallet or some financial or emotional security around, or that their is a fuck-any-and-all-comers-for-food security mechanism in *all women*. You just can&#8217;t generalize.</p></blockquote>
<p>But suggesting that every male rapist, or even a preponderance of male rapists, is the result of a woman touching him or licking his ass and genitals when he was a boy, is acceptable?</p>
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		By: the real me		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/04/rape-switch-hypothesis-still-g/#comment-536764</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 22:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[or worse, it&#039;s like saying that men are something like wardogs, and in which case, the opposite &#039;truths&#039; about women would be true &quot;women have a lick childrens asses mechanism--as soon as they are around children, they can&#039;t help themselves, except to sniff at and lick childrens butts. Women must have a lick childrens asses and genitals switch.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or worse, it&#8217;s like saying that men are something like wardogs, and in which case, the opposite &#8216;truths&#8217; about women would be true &#8220;women have a lick childrens asses mechanism&#8211;as soon as they are around children, they can&#8217;t help themselves, except to sniff at and lick childrens butts. Women must have a lick childrens asses and genitals switch.&#8221;</p>
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		By: the real me		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/04/rape-switch-hypothesis-still-g/#comment-536763</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[the real me]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 22:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The really preposterous thing is that saying there is a rape switch in war is like saying there is a prostitution switch any and every time there is a wallet or some financial or emotional security around, or that their is a fuck-any-and-all-comers-for-food security mechanism in *all women*. You just can&#039;t generalize.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The really preposterous thing is that saying there is a rape switch in war is like saying there is a prostitution switch any and every time there is a wallet or some financial or emotional security around, or that their is a fuck-any-and-all-comers-for-food security mechanism in *all women*. You just can&#8217;t generalize.</p>
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		By: DuWayne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DuWayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Holy shit, I totally missed that comment by DC Sessions...This is what happens when I am trying to deal with a discussion that&#039;s happening on a few blogs and through several posts...

DC -

You&#039;re actually coming close to where I am, with:

&lt;i&gt;What I&#039;m suggesting is that there&#039;s no need to postulate a specific &quot;rape switch.&quot; Rather, a &quot;feral response set&quot; encompassing rape and other short-term asocial strategies, often of a brute non-thinking nature, seems to account for a lot.&lt;/i&gt;

I think that as long as you aren&#039;t claiming some absolute set of variables would cause this response in enough individuals that it becomes a generalized &quot;rule&quot; I completely agree.  I am not sure that I don&#039;t agree even if you are specifying a rule like generalization, because it is clear that people raised in a certain social and cultural context are extremely prone to rape in war - enough that it &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; be generalized.  I think that it may be reasonable to postulate that there is a particular response that variables usually created by war will produce, the expression of which is dependent on social and cultural conditioning.

I am going to ponder this while I am removing some caulk and will probably be quoting you and using it in my next post on this - which will be responding more clearly to Greg&#039;s exhaustive comment on my blog, than I did in comments.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy shit, I totally missed that comment by DC Sessions&#8230;This is what happens when I am trying to deal with a discussion that&#8217;s happening on a few blogs and through several posts&#8230;</p>
<p>DC &#8211;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re actually coming close to where I am, with:</p>
<p><i>What I&#8217;m suggesting is that there&#8217;s no need to postulate a specific &#8220;rape switch.&#8221; Rather, a &#8220;feral response set&#8221; encompassing rape and other short-term asocial strategies, often of a brute non-thinking nature, seems to account for a lot.</i></p>
<p>I think that as long as you aren&#8217;t claiming some absolute set of variables would cause this response in enough individuals that it becomes a generalized &#8220;rule&#8221; I completely agree.  I am not sure that I don&#8217;t agree even if you are specifying a rule like generalization, because it is clear that people raised in a certain social and cultural context are extremely prone to rape in war &#8211; enough that it <i>can</i> be generalized.  I think that it may be reasonable to postulate that there is a particular response that variables usually created by war will produce, the expression of which is dependent on social and cultural conditioning.</p>
<p>I am going to ponder this while I am removing some caulk and will probably be quoting you and using it in my next post on this &#8211; which will be responding more clearly to Greg&#8217;s exhaustive comment on my blog, than I did in comments.</p>
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