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		By: Houston Injury Attorneys		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/01/a-rape-in-progress-2/#comment-536358</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This culture of rape and male dominance is the way things are in this society. It would be foolish and unethical to try to change it no matter how much I disagree with it. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This culture of rape and male dominance is the way things are in this society. It would be foolish and unethical to try to change it no matter how much I disagree with it. </p>
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		By: gwen		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/01/a-rape-in-progress-2/#comment-536357</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 02:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As a young teen, soon after I came to this country, I was the victim of an attempted kidnap/rape. As my attacker pummeled me under a streetlight that evening, I could see the father of one of my playmates watching what happened without making any attempt to intervene. If he would have just yelled out, he could have made a difference in the length of time I was beat. In my eyes, he was just as much a monster as the stranger beating and attempting to drag me to his car. I was lucky in that I was able to get away and run for help. I confronted him about it soon after, and my parents ended their friendship after I told them what happened.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a young teen, soon after I came to this country, I was the victim of an attempted kidnap/rape. As my attacker pummeled me under a streetlight that evening, I could see the father of one of my playmates watching what happened without making any attempt to intervene. If he would have just yelled out, he could have made a difference in the length of time I was beat. In my eyes, he was just as much a monster as the stranger beating and attempting to drag me to his car. I was lucky in that I was able to get away and run for help. I confronted him about it soon after, and my parents ended their friendship after I told them what happened.</p>
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		By: Houston Personal Injury Attorney		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/01/a-rape-in-progress-2/#comment-536356</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Houston Personal Injury Attorney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 20:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Walker Texas Lawyer specializes in Personal Injury Law (i.e., ambulate chasing) and apparently is not above exploiting violent rape of innocent women to promote is his product.  The note below (in block quotes) is the spam that he left on my site.  It is an unattributed cut and paste from earlier on this blog. So, Walker Texas Lawyer is not only a slimeball for exploiting rape to get business, but he is also a plagiarist. Is this the kind of attorney you would trust to handle an important mater for you?  I think not.   

&lt;blockquote&gt;The battle over this young woman continues for quite some time, and the whole time I consider if I should be involved. I am here to study these people, not to interfere. Yet a rape is, at least according to my cultural norms, a bad thing. I am capable of rape any more than I believe I am capable of beating my wife in Houston or shooting someone because I disagree with them. Which will require a personal injury attorney.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Please note:  In the original spam,the stolen quote was not block-quoted. I added that formatting.  

-pissedblogowner]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walker Texas Lawyer specializes in Personal Injury Law (i.e., ambulate chasing) and apparently is not above exploiting violent rape of innocent women to promote is his product.  The note below (in block quotes) is the spam that he left on my site.  It is an unattributed cut and paste from earlier on this blog. So, Walker Texas Lawyer is not only a slimeball for exploiting rape to get business, but he is also a plagiarist. Is this the kind of attorney you would trust to handle an important mater for you?  I think not.   </p>
<blockquote><p>The battle over this young woman continues for quite some time, and the whole time I consider if I should be involved. I am here to study these people, not to interfere. Yet a rape is, at least according to my cultural norms, a bad thing. I am capable of rape any more than I believe I am capable of beating my wife in Houston or shooting someone because I disagree with them. Which will require a personal injury attorney.</p></blockquote>
<p>Please note:  In the original spam,the stolen quote was not block-quoted. I added that formatting.  </p>
<p>-pissedblogowner</p>
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		By: Osama		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/01/a-rape-in-progress-2/#comment-536355</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Osama]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d help the guys trying to drag a jew to a gas chamber ^^]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d help the guys trying to drag a jew to a gas chamber ^^</p>
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		By: G.		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/01/a-rape-in-progress-2/#comment-536354</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[G.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Humans, by and large, have a rape switch. All humans are capable of rape. Most humans are enculturated in way that reduces rape,&quot;

:-p Fix&#039;d.

Women are more or less as capable of rape, most of them just are in environments where they do not realize it since female rape of men or women is usually treated like a joke. 

 Which is freaking infuriating if you know victims of rape, including rape by females.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Humans, by and large, have a rape switch. All humans are capable of rape. Most humans are enculturated in way that reduces rape,&#8221;</p>
<p>:-p Fix&#8217;d.</p>
<p>Women are more or less as capable of rape, most of them just are in environments where they do not realize it since female rape of men or women is usually treated like a joke. </p>
<p> Which is freaking infuriating if you know victims of rape, including rape by females.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;The urge to rape would constitute an evolutionary advantage. So would an urge to submit to rape.&lt;/em&gt;

BZZZZTTTT!!! 

That was the Naturalistic Fallacy Buzzer going off. 

OK, you may be right.  Or you may be wrong.  But in order to make the statement that the urge to rape or the urge to submit to it has a fitness advantage you have to back it up with more data and a more explicit model.

This, of course, is the main subject of Thornhill and Thornhill&#039;s book, which I think I&#039;ll post a review of in a day or two.  

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The urge to rape would constitute an evolutionary advantage. So would an urge to submit to rape.</em></p>
<p>BZZZZTTTT!!! </p>
<p>That was the Naturalistic Fallacy Buzzer going off. </p>
<p>OK, you may be right.  Or you may be wrong.  But in order to make the statement that the urge to rape or the urge to submit to it has a fitness advantage you have to back it up with more data and a more explicit model.</p>
<p>This, of course, is the main subject of Thornhill and Thornhill&#8217;s book, which I think I&#8217;ll post a review of in a day or two.  </p>
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		By: MC		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/01/a-rape-in-progress-2/#comment-536352</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 00:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I hate to say this, but...

Nature does not have a conscience.  The urge to rape would constitute an evolutionary advantage.  So would an urge to submit to rape.

There are cases, such as in the Congo, in which people were forced to rape family members.  Presumably there are &#039;soldiers&#039; in some conflicts who wouldn&#039;t even be there (much less commit rape) if they weren&#039;t conscripted.  What do you think would happen if four soldiers raped a woman and Number 5 refused?

So...what should be done?  Personally, I&#039;d try indoctrinating men to consider themselves incapable of rape.  Or teaching them that they have free will and can fight such an urge.  If that&#039;s not the case, then humans aren&#039;t sentient beings and it doesn&#039;t matter what happens to anyone anyway.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to say this, but&#8230;</p>
<p>Nature does not have a conscience.  The urge to rape would constitute an evolutionary advantage.  So would an urge to submit to rape.</p>
<p>There are cases, such as in the Congo, in which people were forced to rape family members.  Presumably there are &#8216;soldiers&#8217; in some conflicts who wouldn&#8217;t even be there (much less commit rape) if they weren&#8217;t conscripted.  What do you think would happen if four soldiers raped a woman and Number 5 refused?</p>
<p>So&#8230;what should be done?  Personally, I&#8217;d try indoctrinating men to consider themselves incapable of rape.  Or teaching them that they have free will and can fight such an urge.  If that&#8217;s not the case, then humans aren&#8217;t sentient beings and it doesn&#8217;t matter what happens to anyone anyway.</p>
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		By: the real meme		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[the real meme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 22:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Boo to that...the original author stated &quot;I assume they raped her.&quot; How many men are sitting in prison today over that assumption versus proof?

It&#039;s like saying &quot; I assume she was asking for it.&quot; How rude, and invalid on its face... ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boo to that&#8230;the original author stated &#8220;I assume they raped her.&#8221; How many men are sitting in prison today over that assumption versus proof?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like saying &#8221; I assume she was asking for it.&#8221; How rude, and invalid on its face&#8230; </p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Erin:  Cheers.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erin:  Cheers.  </p>
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		By: erin		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/06/01/a-rape-in-progress-2/#comment-536349</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[erin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Right, wrong, cultural norms, appropriate research methods, objectivity, and so on are not even the point here. The point is not even that rape is such a commonplace scourge in some cultures, including our own. 

The issue is that a person was raped, and another person who could have intervened chose not to. 

If his excuse had been &quot;I am in a wheelchair and I couldn&#039;t do anything&quot; I&#039;d ask why he didn&#039;t go for help. 

This researcher needs to recognize that these &quot;subjects&quot; are not animals. They are people. He watched a person come to harm, and made excuses for it. He is unapologetic. 

How many who read this could sleep at night if they&#039;d seen this event, and known another human had been hurt and violated in a primal way that, if they live, will affect them for the rest of their lives.

This person did not deserve to be raped, based on living in a geographic region where it is &quot;commonplace.&quot; It is commonplace here, where 1/3 of women will go through it at some point in their lives.

It is utterly ridiculous to focus on anything other than the plight of another person in danger. If you watched a person get dragged into the bushes by four others here, or alternately, if you saw a person who was drunk at a party and passing out being brought into a room by one or 4 or any number of people, would you watch? And tell yourself it&#039;s wrong to get involved? 

If you watch it happen and say nothing, you are guilty. It&#039;s inhuman.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, wrong, cultural norms, appropriate research methods, objectivity, and so on are not even the point here. The point is not even that rape is such a commonplace scourge in some cultures, including our own. </p>
<p>The issue is that a person was raped, and another person who could have intervened chose not to. </p>
<p>If his excuse had been &#8220;I am in a wheelchair and I couldn&#8217;t do anything&#8221; I&#8217;d ask why he didn&#8217;t go for help. </p>
<p>This researcher needs to recognize that these &#8220;subjects&#8221; are not animals. They are people. He watched a person come to harm, and made excuses for it. He is unapologetic. </p>
<p>How many who read this could sleep at night if they&#8217;d seen this event, and known another human had been hurt and violated in a primal way that, if they live, will affect them for the rest of their lives.</p>
<p>This person did not deserve to be raped, based on living in a geographic region where it is &#8220;commonplace.&#8221; It is commonplace here, where 1/3 of women will go through it at some point in their lives.</p>
<p>It is utterly ridiculous to focus on anything other than the plight of another person in danger. If you watched a person get dragged into the bushes by four others here, or alternately, if you saw a person who was drunk at a party and passing out being brought into a room by one or 4 or any number of people, would you watch? And tell yourself it&#8217;s wrong to get involved? </p>
<p>If you watch it happen and say nothing, you are guilty. It&#8217;s inhuman.</p>
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