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		By: dizi izle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dizi izle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 06:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dizzi ... you seem to have gotten in trouble with Blogger.  Your comment was inane and boring.  So it is gone. I think you might be one of those Turkish Spammers.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dizzi &#8230; you seem to have gotten in trouble with Blogger.  Your comment was inane and boring.  So it is gone. I think you might be one of those Turkish Spammers.  </p>
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		By: Innercr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Innercr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Who needs Linux on the desktop?? Its plain ugly in font rendering and there are no high quality programs, only substandard half-baked ones. Video cards, wireless cards, audio - all don&#039;t work like they do in Windoze. Games? - no go! Adobe software? - No go! Printers? maybe some Brother models, all other don&#039;t work. Linux is good for servers but such a BS for desktops.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who needs Linux on the desktop?? Its plain ugly in font rendering and there are no high quality programs, only substandard half-baked ones. Video cards, wireless cards, audio &#8211; all don&#8217;t work like they do in Windoze. Games? &#8211; no go! Adobe software? &#8211; No go! Printers? maybe some Brother models, all other don&#8217;t work. Linux is good for servers but such a BS for desktops.</p>
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		By: MRW		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MRW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 13:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rossi - 

Poe&#039;s law was originally stated as &quot;Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is uttrerly impossible to parody a Creationist in such a way that someone won&#039;t mistake for the genuine article.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rossi &#8211; </p>
<p>Poe&#8217;s law was originally stated as &#8220;Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is uttrerly impossible to parody a Creationist in such a way that someone won&#8217;t mistake for the genuine article.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Rossi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rossi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 13:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Rossi, you should look at what is happening in Germany right now in the car company negotiation.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why? What does that have to do EEE PCs?

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;That is yet another example of the utter bankruptcy of the American system.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, it&#039;s a one particular case of an industry (autos) that has become decrepit and broken.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;The Poe Effect may be in full force here, folks.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m sorry, but what is a Poe effect? Is that some cult jargon?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>Rossi, you should look at what is happening in Germany right now in the car company negotiation.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Why? What does that have to do EEE PCs?</p>
<blockquote><p><i>That is yet another example of the utter bankruptcy of the American system.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>No, it&#8217;s a one particular case of an industry (autos) that has become decrepit and broken.</p>
<blockquote><p><i>The Poe Effect may be in full force here, folks.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but what is a Poe effect? Is that some cult jargon?</p>
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		By: James		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 10:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Steph,

The fake Asus.co.uk page actually has a 0-second redirect to the real ASUS web site. It&#039;s not that ASUS has stepped in and taken care of things. Rather, the fake page is trying to hide itself.

More at http://linuxinexile.blogspot.com/2009/05/better-with-windows.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steph,</p>
<p>The fake Asus.co.uk page actually has a 0-second redirect to the real ASUS web site. It&#8217;s not that ASUS has stepped in and taken care of things. Rather, the fake page is trying to hide itself.</p>
<p>More at <a href="http://linuxinexile.blogspot.com/2009/05/better-with-windows.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://linuxinexile.blogspot.com/2009/05/better-with-windows.html</a></p>
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		By: XD		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[XD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 06:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe it&#039;s a genuine campaign, but it&#039;s supposed to have plausible deniability built in. It&#039;s not impossible that MS is behind it, but if anyone started complaining and talking about &quot;uncompetitive practices&quot;, MS could just disown it. We all know that MS uses such practices, and if their options are:

1. be unethical and get sued (yet again)
2. be unethical but avoid being sued
3. be ethical

they will go for the second.

It would also provide them with the opportunity of calling OSS advocates &quot;conspiracy theorists&quot;.

Of course, it could have nothing official to do with MS; it could just be the work of a MS fanboy. We&#039;ll probably never know.

Also, it&#039;s not just Asus that does back-room deals with MS. Every other company does too. MS discounts their licenses for manufacturers. If a manufacturer wanted to give their customers a Linux option (which could technically be cheaper than the MS option), MS could just remove or reduce the discounts to the extent that the manufacturers machines would compare unfavourably to their competitors machines. And no manufacturer is going to drop Windows, because that&#039;s what most customers want.

Some manufacturers list Linux alternatives for a handful of their machines, but they are not cheaper than the Windows alternatives, and I believe that they are nothing more than a fig leaf to cover the dodgy deals done with MS.

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&quot;Teaching children to use Windows is like teaching them to smoke tobaccoâ??in a world where only one company sells tobacco.&quot; - Richard Stallman

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it&#8217;s a genuine campaign, but it&#8217;s supposed to have plausible deniability built in. It&#8217;s not impossible that MS is behind it, but if anyone started complaining and talking about &#8220;uncompetitive practices&#8221;, MS could just disown it. We all know that MS uses such practices, and if their options are:</p>
<p>1. be unethical and get sued (yet again)<br />
2. be unethical but avoid being sued<br />
3. be ethical</p>
<p>they will go for the second.</p>
<p>It would also provide them with the opportunity of calling OSS advocates &#8220;conspiracy theorists&#8221;.</p>
<p>Of course, it could have nothing official to do with MS; it could just be the work of a MS fanboy. We&#8217;ll probably never know.</p>
<p>Also, it&#8217;s not just Asus that does back-room deals with MS. Every other company does too. MS discounts their licenses for manufacturers. If a manufacturer wanted to give their customers a Linux option (which could technically be cheaper than the MS option), MS could just remove or reduce the discounts to the extent that the manufacturers machines would compare unfavourably to their competitors machines. And no manufacturer is going to drop Windows, because that&#8217;s what most customers want.</p>
<p>Some manufacturers list Linux alternatives for a handful of their machines, but they are not cheaper than the Windows alternatives, and I believe that they are nothing more than a fig leaf to cover the dodgy deals done with MS.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
&#8220;Teaching children to use Windows is like teaching them to smoke tobaccoâ??in a world where only one company sells tobacco.&#8221; &#8211; Richard Stallman</p>
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		By: Jason Thibeault		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/05/29/asus-pc-eee-pc-paid-off-by-mic/#comment-536069</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Thibeault]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 23:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Um, about that post in moderation.  First, it seems I only included one of the links I wanted to -- which is a good thing, because it seems the other posts in my tabs presently don&#039;t present a very good case for this being real, just more hearsay.  

Also, I can&#039;t believe I did this, but I mixed up my tabs copying and pasting the &quot;it&#039;s better with windows&quot; bit, so the part about saying the text is mirrored -- well, that&#039;s an utter lie.  My screw up.

The other part -- about the real site having given &quot;Genuine XP Home&quot; such a fluff-job -- stands.  In fact, there&#039;s an &quot;Asus recommends XP for everyday computing&quot; logo at the top, which if I recall correctly is required contractually if you partake in Microsoft&#039;s heavy OEM discounts for pre-installing software.  From everything I&#039;m reading, it would appear that the Linux and XP versions cost the same; indicating to me that despite it being marketed as free to choose, people are obviously going to go for the more familiar of the two.  This whole thing reeks of Microsoft realizing this could be Linux&#039; foot in the everyman&#039;s door, and freaking out.  Better to &quot;give away&quot; Windows than allow normal users to both get their hands on Linux, and realize it&#039;s actually pretty good, and lose marketshare as a result.

I&#039;m going to have to install a Firefox extension or something that makes me look over my damned submissions before I hit post.  Because I&#039;ve been doing that a lot lately -- posting something, then immediately either posting again to fix a problem with the post, or saying &quot;oops, my bad&quot;.  I get fired up about something and post without double-checking my facts.  Not a good habit for someone trying to be a good blogger/commenter worth reading.  Mea culpa.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, about that post in moderation.  First, it seems I only included one of the links I wanted to &#8212; which is a good thing, because it seems the other posts in my tabs presently don&#8217;t present a very good case for this being real, just more hearsay.  </p>
<p>Also, I can&#8217;t believe I did this, but I mixed up my tabs copying and pasting the &#8220;it&#8217;s better with windows&#8221; bit, so the part about saying the text is mirrored &#8212; well, that&#8217;s an utter lie.  My screw up.</p>
<p>The other part &#8212; about the real site having given &#8220;Genuine XP Home&#8221; such a fluff-job &#8212; stands.  In fact, there&#8217;s an &#8220;Asus recommends XP for everyday computing&#8221; logo at the top, which if I recall correctly is required contractually if you partake in Microsoft&#8217;s heavy OEM discounts for pre-installing software.  From everything I&#8217;m reading, it would appear that the Linux and XP versions cost the same; indicating to me that despite it being marketed as free to choose, people are obviously going to go for the more familiar of the two.  This whole thing reeks of Microsoft realizing this could be Linux&#8217; foot in the everyman&#8217;s door, and freaking out.  Better to &#8220;give away&#8221; Windows than allow normal users to both get their hands on Linux, and realize it&#8217;s actually pretty good, and lose marketshare as a result.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to have to install a Firefox extension or something that makes me look over my damned submissions before I hit post.  Because I&#8217;ve been doing that a lot lately &#8212; posting something, then immediately either posting again to fix a problem with the post, or saying &#8220;oops, my bad&#8221;.  I get fired up about something and post without double-checking my facts.  Not a good habit for someone trying to be a good blogger/commenter worth reading.  Mea culpa.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 23:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And the site says &quot;Asus recommends Windows for every day computing&quot;  Which is kind of specific and clear if you ask me.

If that original site is a fake, it is a fake designed to float the idea in a deniable way.

Asus is asses, they is. 

(That is how it is pronounced, right?  Asses? ) ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the site says &#8220;Asus recommends Windows for every day computing&#8221;  Which is kind of specific and clear if you ask me.</p>
<p>If that original site is a fake, it is a fake designed to float the idea in a deniable way.</p>
<p>Asus is asses, they is. </p>
<p>(That is how it is pronounced, right?  Asses? ) </p>
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		By: Jason Thibeault		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Thibeault]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 23:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg: big comment, lots of links, might prove this is legit, waiting for moderation.  Thanks!  :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg: big comment, lots of links, might prove this is legit, waiting for moderation.  Thanks!  🙂</p>
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		By: Jason Thibeault		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Thibeault]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 23:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Uh, guys... maybe that UK Seashell site is a fake, I don&#039;t know.  And maybe there&#039;s no explicit declaration that they&#039;re in bed together.  

But this page showing the description of the Seashell on the US side of their site, strongly suggests otherwise: http://eeepc.asus.com/global/product1008ha.html

First, it bears no mention of Linux at all.  Only &quot;Genuine Windows XP Home&quot;.  If you go to the specifications page, it says for OS: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Genuine WindowsÂ® XP Home
(*Pre-installed with Microsoft Office Home &amp; Student 2007 60-day Trial and vary by country) 

GNU Linux&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Doesn&#039;t tell you that&#039;s a choice -- and if you DO understand it&#039;s a choice, it sure does look like you&#039;re getting a better deal with the GENUINE DEAL OS, as opposed to the obviously inferior, or otherwise not genuinely Windows, Linux.  This is mirrored on the list of comparisons between this model and other Eee PC&#039;s.

Also, the &quot;It&#039;s Better With Windows&quot; verbiage is mirrored there:

&lt;blockquote&gt;It&#039;s better with WindowsÂ®

The Eee PCâ?¢ 1008HA comes pre-loaded with Microsoft Windows XP Home and Microsoft Works. With WindowsÂ® XP, you can be sure that your Eee PCâ?¢ will be compatible with your existing Windows applications and devices. WindowsÂ® XP is also easy to use and delivers a dependable experience that Microsoft and a worldwide community of partners stand behind. Visit www.ItsBetterwithWindows.com Â» to find out more.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So, whether the UK site is a fake or not, eeepc.asus.com certainly isn&#039;t.  Its Whois:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Registrant:
Asus Computer International
   800 Corporate Way
   Fremont, CA 94539
   US

   Domain Name: ASUS.COM

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   Promote your business to millions of viewers for only $1 a month
   Learn how you can get an Enhanced Business Listing here for your domain name.
   Learn more at http://www.NetworkSolutions.com/
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   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
      Yao, Charles		charles_yao@asus.com
      Asus Computer International
      800 Corporate Way
      Fremont, CA 94539
      US
      (510) 608-4527 fax: 999 999 9999


   Record expires on 24-Oct-2011.
   Record created on 25-Oct-1995.
   Database last updated on 29-May-2009 22:49:30 EDT.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, guys&#8230; maybe that UK Seashell site is a fake, I don&#8217;t know.  And maybe there&#8217;s no explicit declaration that they&#8217;re in bed together.  </p>
<p>But this page showing the description of the Seashell on the US side of their site, strongly suggests otherwise: <a href="http://eeepc.asus.com/global/product1008ha.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://eeepc.asus.com/global/product1008ha.html</a></p>
<p>First, it bears no mention of Linux at all.  Only &#8220;Genuine Windows XP Home&#8221;.  If you go to the specifications page, it says for OS: </p>
<blockquote><p>Genuine WindowsÂ® XP Home<br />
(*Pre-installed with Microsoft Office Home &#038; Student 2007 60-day Trial and vary by country) </p>
<p>GNU Linux</p></blockquote>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t tell you that&#8217;s a choice &#8212; and if you DO understand it&#8217;s a choice, it sure does look like you&#8217;re getting a better deal with the GENUINE DEAL OS, as opposed to the obviously inferior, or otherwise not genuinely Windows, Linux.  This is mirrored on the list of comparisons between this model and other Eee PC&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Also, the &#8220;It&#8217;s Better With Windows&#8221; verbiage is mirrored there:</p>
<blockquote><p>It&#8217;s better with WindowsÂ®</p>
<p>The Eee PCâ?¢ 1008HA comes pre-loaded with Microsoft Windows XP Home and Microsoft Works. With WindowsÂ® XP, you can be sure that your Eee PCâ?¢ will be compatible with your existing Windows applications and devices. WindowsÂ® XP is also easy to use and delivers a dependable experience that Microsoft and a worldwide community of partners stand behind. Visit <a href="http://www.ItsBetterwithWindows.com" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.ItsBetterwithWindows.com</a> Â» to find out more.
</p></blockquote>
<p>So, whether the UK site is a fake or not, eeepc.asus.com certainly isn&#8217;t.  Its Whois:</p>
<blockquote><p>Registrant:<br />
Asus Computer International<br />
   800 Corporate Way<br />
   Fremont, CA 94539<br />
   US</p>
<p>   Domain Name: ASUS.COM</p>
<p>   &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
   Promote your business to millions of viewers for only $1 a month<br />
   Learn how you can get an Enhanced Business Listing here for your domain name.<br />
   Learn more at <a href="http://www.NetworkSolutions.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.NetworkSolutions.com/</a><br />
   &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:<br />
      Yao, Charles		<a href="mailto:charles_yao@asus.com">charles_yao@asus.com</a><br />
      Asus Computer International<br />
      800 Corporate Way<br />
      Fremont, CA 94539<br />
      US<br />
      (510) 608-4527 fax: 999 999 9999</p>
<p>   Record expires on 24-Oct-2011.<br />
   Record created on 25-Oct-1995.<br />
   Database last updated on 29-May-2009 22:49:30 EDT.
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