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		By: Minnesota Central		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Minnesota Central]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe Coleman is learning from his mistakes ?

For those that have not followed the Election Contest trial, Coleman started off unprepared.  In fact, his first schedule had the trial not starting until mid-February and the ECC (Election Contest Court) denied his request.  The first day of testimony was a complete rejection of Colemanâ??s evidence as it included â??partialâ? photo-copies with missing key data.  From there, it continued to go downhill.

Colemanâ??s attorneys knows the clock starts to run once they file the notice of appeal â?¦ briefs have to be filled in a prescribed timeline and then Frankenâ??s team gets time for a response. 
Also, even though they have the desire to appeal, they need to format the appeal based on the ECC ruling, so there is a little homework that needs to be done.

All that said, the only question that Coleman should be asking is â??Will a successful appeal alter the election results?â? Thus far, Frankenâ??s lead keeps growing and even if Coleman does prove that significant errors were made, will the outcome change â?¦ my answer is no.  In fact, the ECC was harder on Franken in the review than Coleman (Coleman attorneys had agreed that more Franken votes should be considered than the ECC allowed.)  Frankenâ??s attorneys should have pressed harder â?¦ essentially running up the score so that the lead would have been greater.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Coleman is learning from his mistakes ?</p>
<p>For those that have not followed the Election Contest trial, Coleman started off unprepared.  In fact, his first schedule had the trial not starting until mid-February and the ECC (Election Contest Court) denied his request.  The first day of testimony was a complete rejection of Colemanâ??s evidence as it included â??partialâ? photo-copies with missing key data.  From there, it continued to go downhill.</p>
<p>Colemanâ??s attorneys knows the clock starts to run once they file the notice of appeal â?¦ briefs have to be filled in a prescribed timeline and then Frankenâ??s team gets time for a response.<br />
Also, even though they have the desire to appeal, they need to format the appeal based on the ECC ruling, so there is a little homework that needs to be done.</p>
<p>All that said, the only question that Coleman should be asking is â??Will a successful appeal alter the election results?â? Thus far, Frankenâ??s lead keeps growing and even if Coleman does prove that significant errors were made, will the outcome change â?¦ my answer is no.  In fact, the ECC was harder on Franken in the review than Coleman (Coleman attorneys had agreed that more Franken votes should be considered than the ECC allowed.)  Frankenâ??s attorneys should have pressed harder â?¦ essentially running up the score so that the lead would have been greater.</p>
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		By: BruceH		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 22:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One does wonder what Coleman himself stands to gain from all this. Obviously, he&#039;s not doing it out of any sense of altruism, or even loyalty to the Republican party.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One does wonder what Coleman himself stands to gain from all this. Obviously, he&#8217;s not doing it out of any sense of altruism, or even loyalty to the Republican party.</p>
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		By: BruceH		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 22:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Coleman is clearly stalling. I think your analysis is exactly correct. The man is washed up on the national political stage, and he knows it. The Republican leadership knows it. They are simply running the play right out of their play book. Namely, obstruct, obstruct, obstruct. Since they cannot govern, and now they cannot win, they have nothing left to do.

Well, aside from swallow their collective pride and actually make some compromises in the interest of the nation as a whole, but we all know how they feel about that idea. They would rather be the obstructionist party so that when elections come around, they can claim that they fought against every bad thing that might happen between now and then. Not hard to do when you are the party of &quot;We&#039;s agin it!&quot; If that can&#039;t be done, they&#039;ll spin the good stuff into bad, and run against that.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coleman is clearly stalling. I think your analysis is exactly correct. The man is washed up on the national political stage, and he knows it. The Republican leadership knows it. They are simply running the play right out of their play book. Namely, obstruct, obstruct, obstruct. Since they cannot govern, and now they cannot win, they have nothing left to do.</p>
<p>Well, aside from swallow their collective pride and actually make some compromises in the interest of the nation as a whole, but we all know how they feel about that idea. They would rather be the obstructionist party so that when elections come around, they can claim that they fought against every bad thing that might happen between now and then. Not hard to do when you are the party of &#8220;We&#8217;s agin it!&#8221; If that can&#8217;t be done, they&#8217;ll spin the good stuff into bad, and run against that.</p>
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		By: T. Hunt		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 17:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is there something that the people of Minnesota can do?  I understand that there is a recount process and that it has to play out but there also should be an end point where the people of Minnesota get their representation. (Gee, no one mentioned that at any of the Tea Parties, did they?) Even if it&#039;s seating the former senator. Or provisionally seating the newly elected one.

I can see problems with either one of those courses but the people in Minnesota are now truly without representation and they ARE being taxed. It would seem the governor is in a position to take up the people&#039;s cause but that hasn&#039;t yielded anything of substance yet.

If I lived in Minnesota, I&#039;d be tea baggin&#039; someone.

T. Hunt]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there something that the people of Minnesota can do?  I understand that there is a recount process and that it has to play out but there also should be an end point where the people of Minnesota get their representation. (Gee, no one mentioned that at any of the Tea Parties, did they?) Even if it&#8217;s seating the former senator. Or provisionally seating the newly elected one.</p>
<p>I can see problems with either one of those courses but the people in Minnesota are now truly without representation and they ARE being taxed. It would seem the governor is in a position to take up the people&#8217;s cause but that hasn&#8217;t yielded anything of substance yet.</p>
<p>If I lived in Minnesota, I&#8217;d be tea baggin&#8217; someone.</p>
<p>T. Hunt</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 14:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Phillip:  Yea, but ... Clearly, no matter what the outcome of this race, having a Senator seated so we are represented should happen as soon as possible.  Any delay is bad.

A recount and the appeals delay the seating of a Senator, but are necessary and appropriate so we live with the delay... But...

Can you imagine what would happen if the three judge panel said &quot;Oh, we&#039;ve made our final decisons, but one of us had a vacation planed, so we&#039;ll be presenting our opinions and conclusions in a week or so&quot; ...

Well what is happening right now is that Coleman is systematically adding ten days to the number of days this whole process will take.  And now, we&#039;re all talking about it. If he files for the appeal on day ten, it will be abundantly clear that his goal is to deprive the citizens of Minnesota of reresentation, or more exactly, he&#039;s telling us thta it&#039;s either him or on one, for as long as possible.

His career is over. Clearly, he&#039;s made a deal with the RNC.  He&#039;s getting some bills paid somehow, and that is all that counts for him.  So much for Democracy and all that other silly stuff our founding fathers gave their lives for.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phillip:  Yea, but &#8230; Clearly, no matter what the outcome of this race, having a Senator seated so we are represented should happen as soon as possible.  Any delay is bad.</p>
<p>A recount and the appeals delay the seating of a Senator, but are necessary and appropriate so we live with the delay&#8230; But&#8230;</p>
<p>Can you imagine what would happen if the three judge panel said &#8220;Oh, we&#8217;ve made our final decisons, but one of us had a vacation planed, so we&#8217;ll be presenting our opinions and conclusions in a week or so&#8221; &#8230;</p>
<p>Well what is happening right now is that Coleman is systematically adding ten days to the number of days this whole process will take.  And now, we&#8217;re all talking about it. If he files for the appeal on day ten, it will be abundantly clear that his goal is to deprive the citizens of Minnesota of reresentation, or more exactly, he&#8217;s telling us thta it&#8217;s either him or on one, for as long as possible.</p>
<p>His career is over. Clearly, he&#8217;s made a deal with the RNC.  He&#8217;s getting some bills paid somehow, and that is all that counts for him.  So much for Democracy and all that other silly stuff our founding fathers gave their lives for.  </p>
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		By: Phillip IV		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 14:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Or perhaps Coleman is just waiting to hear back from his pollsters before deciding - while the GOP leadership would certainly be happy to keep Franken out of Congress as long as possible no matter the cost, Coleman is likely thinking more along the lines of &quot;as long as possible without irretrievably ruining my reputation&quot;. And if he finds he hasn&#039;t much wriggling room left, in that regard, there might be just the slightest chance he won&#039;t appeal after all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or perhaps Coleman is just waiting to hear back from his pollsters before deciding &#8211; while the GOP leadership would certainly be happy to keep Franken out of Congress as long as possible no matter the cost, Coleman is likely thinking more along the lines of &#8220;as long as possible without irretrievably ruining my reputation&#8221;. And if he finds he hasn&#8217;t much wriggling room left, in that regard, there might be just the slightest chance he won&#8217;t appeal after all.</p>
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